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Rankings don't truly matter...

Posted on 1/28/20 at 11:30 pm
Posted by FatMan
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
1948 posts
Posted on 1/28/20 at 11:30 pm
But we finally got 300+ on 247!

300.54

We had a 299 back in 14, but we are over with 300 composite with room to add! On paper* our best recruiting class since the composite has been tracked.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6976 posts
Posted on 1/28/20 at 11:57 pm to
Rankings truly matter. Schools consistently in the top 10 finish in the top 10. It’s a fact. Not an opinion.
Posted by Fast Times @ LSU
Camas
Member since Jan 2005
1607 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 12:17 am to
The ratings are such an in-exact science. Look at our 2017 class, which was underrated. So many good players in that group. This class will be special too.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24737 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 12:22 am to
To be an elite program that competes for championships, you really need to consistently be in or around the Top 5 in recruiting nationally in most years. The best teams are stockpiling talent.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 12:24 am to
quote:

Rankings truly matter. Schools consistently in the top 10 finish in the top 10. It’s a fact. Not an opinion.



What about Clemson? They rarely finish top-10 in recruiting
Posted by Jugular Joe
Member since Jan 2020
4592 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 12:29 am to
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What about Clemson? They rarely finish top-10 in recruiting


That hasn't been reality for several years.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
11303 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 12:30 am to
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What about Clemson? They rarely finish top-10 in recruiting


2015: 4th
2016: 6th
2017: 22nd
2018: 8th
2019: 5th

Looks like that 2017 class caught up to them this year.

I wouldn’t say rarely, but they are kind of the outlier in a lot of areas. Who else can boast a championship coaching staff that never gets poached?
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 12:36 am
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 1:18 am to
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2015: 4th
2016: 6th
2017: 22nd
2018: 8th
2019: 5th


Where did that shite come from? I use the 247 composite.


Clemson's class rankings:
2013: 15 Clemson
2014: 16 Clemson
2015: 9 Clemson
2016: 11 Clemson
2017: 16 Clemson
2018: 7 Clemson
2019: 10 Clemson

Clemson won the 2016 title
Clemson won the 2018 title
And they played in the championship game in 2015.


The guy's statement that he said was "FACT", is NOT fact at all.


Posted by Speedy Greedy
Member since Dec 2019
713 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 3:27 am to
To have a Top 10 Playoff contending team you don't need to have 5 stars on 5 stars like the old Florida State, Georgia, and Alabama but you don't just get 3 stars. Clemson had Deshaun Watson and Dexter Lawrence who were both top 50 players.
Posted by Sir Fury
Member since Jan 2015
4883 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 4:05 am to
Rankins do matter. But they're not the end all, be all. We've seen numerous instances where rankings were simply wrong. A team with a great scouting department can certainly find diamonds in the rough. But, generally speaking, yes rankings do matter.
Posted by lucki98
Thibodaux, la
Member since Aug 2014
808 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 6:07 am to
Not true. So Cal and Texas are consistently ranked in the top 10 in recruiting and what have they accomplished on the field?
Posted by ibleedprplngld
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2012
4526 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 6:18 am to
I don’t think rankings don’t matter at all, but we definitely put way too much stock in them. From the stand point of sheer talent of a team, yes, looking at historical ranks will give a good idea of what schools are the most talented across the board. What it doesn’t give you is how talented a starting line up is once the whole class develops.

Take Justin Jefferson for example. 2* WR out of high school, but developed into one of the most dangerous WRs in all of college football. He’s prime example of why we put too much stock in recruiting rankings. They’re a gut check, not the Bible.

Edit: Also, if memory serves me correctly, Mo Claiborne was unranked and ended up being a first round pick. Just another good example.
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 6:20 am
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 6:36 am to
The difference between 1-5 is opinion. All those teams have studs who should be able to compete for titles year in & out.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7609 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 6:41 am to
Rankings matter very much but are not an exact science, so when our coaches pick up a 3 star, there’s generally a very good reason for it.
Posted by sp22
Member since Jan 2019
756 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 6:47 am to
Clemson took a total of 52 (out of a possible 75) commits in the 2016-2018 classes, which is the reason the rankings are low. They chose to play the 85 scholarship game differently but still had 5 star talent at the top of the classes. The 2018 class had 5 five stars, more than Alabama, Georgia, and LSU have this year
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 7:09 am to
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Clemson took a total of 52 (out of a possible 75) commits in the 2016-2018 classes, which is the reason the rankings are low.


Which is just another of very many reasons why rankings don't truly matter.

Whatever the reason, Clemson was winning national championships with recruiting classes that LSU fans would be melting over.
Posted by Tiger55
Gretna, LA
Member since Aug 2004
1455 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 7:16 am to
Honestly I feel that from ranking 1-5, some years maybe a little more can be reshuffled without much argument based on potential talent. Now some classes address certain needs of certain teams.

Outside of top ten, well there’s a drop off of potential talent.

Having consistent higher ranked teams should, but at least potentially gives you better teams, but coaching then becomes a factor.
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 8:22 am
Posted by Capo
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2013
931 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 7:37 am to
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Where did that shite come from? I use the 247 composite. Clemson's class rankings: 2013: 15 Clemson 2014: 16 Clemson 2015: 9 Clemson 2016: 11 Clemson 2017: 16 Clemson 2018: 7 Clemson 2019: 10 Clemson Clemson won the 2016 title Clemson won the 2018 title And they played in the championship game in 2015. The guy's statement that he said was "FACT", is NOT fact at all.


The weak schedule gives them a big boost. They also must evaluate talent pretty well.
Posted by Scars n Stripes
Home of La Grande Boucherie
Member since Feb 2017
202 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 7:40 am to
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Clemson took a total of 52 (out of a possible 75) commits in the 2016-2018 classes


This right here. Quality vs quantity. They were still bringing in top talent and holding on to NFL ready juniors.. The teams they’ve put on the field are top10 level.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47335 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 7:46 am to
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To be an elite program that competes for championships, you really need to consistently be in or around the Top 5 in recruiting nationally in most years.

This is demonstrably false, proven so by Clemson, which averaged a ranking of 13 in the four years prior to 2018.

BTW, LSU's 2017 and 2018 classes were 7 and 15.

It is true that a school must recruit well, but it is not true that the quality of the class must be recognized by the recruiting services.

Eventually, if a school continuously does well, the recruiting services will begin to bump their recruits up the rankings. That's how the recruiting services work.
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