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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 2/13/20 at 10:32 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 2/13/20 at 10:32 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Man you are reaching so hard.
I'm not reaching at all.
I said it's simply disingenuous to act like every serious case is an ICU case. That's a fact, yet a few of you argued otherwise for two pages.
There is a reason critical and serious are different, albeit subjective, conditions. Grouping them together has one purpose and one purpose only - to incite more fear. Hubei has ~7,900 cases in serious condition and ~1,700 in critical condition. Not great numbers by themselves, but calling them 9,600 cases in critical/serious condition really gets the public going.
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If you want to get picky let’s just take the 10% of cases that are “critical” in Hong Kong and Singapore. Would you agree that they are in the ICU?
Yeah that's probably a safe assumption.
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That means that if a million people get this in the US that’s every ICU bed with no room for other illnesses. There were 22-33 million flu cases this year. If it is half as infectious as the flu then run 10% of that number.
See, this is the absurdity that often happens in this thread. Let's take the 11/111 critical to total cases in Hong Kong and Singapore and use that to show the US ICU beds would be overwhelmed when 1MM people here get it.
Nevermind the fsct there are 15 cases here and less than 65k worldwide, let's start discussing the US hospital system being overrun.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 10:35 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Face it, you are reaching for explanations to fit your narrative because you anchored so firmly to the idea that this was no big deal that it would be embarrassing to back track now.
I'm anchored to this being a blip globally and y'all are anchored to it infecting millions of Americans, overrunning our health care system, and killing hundreds of thousands worldwide.
Yep, I'm the crazy one.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 10:39 pm to boxcarbarney
Those of us who endured Hurricane Katrina have zero faith that government will rise to the occasion. It will come down to neighbors taking care of neighbors.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 10:41 pm to Capt ST
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don’t think it’s contrarian, you just don’t see the big picture very well, you’re trolling or you don’t have enough experience.
Alternatively, I think it's because most containment/prevention methods suggested in this thread are even remotely realistic.
It has taken two weeks for the case count in the US to double, yet we're suggesting we should start making preparations for the impending anarchy.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 10:45 pm to slackster
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Says the guy who believed every patient in serious condition would require an ICU bed.
Are you serious with this? What do you think ICU is? You’re so caught up being a contrarian, that you’re ignoring the fact that you hav no idea what you’re talking about.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 10:47 pm to Bulletproof Lover
Cambodia agrees to accept cruise ship turned away by five countries.
How desperate is a ship to approach Cambodia for help?
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The MS Westerdam was turned away by five countries over fears someone on board may have the deadly airborne disease. Crew members said no one on board was sick, but that didn’t stop Thailand, Guam, Japan, Taiwan and the Philippines turning the vessel away. Fears were mounting over food running out for the 1,455 passengers and 802 members of staff, until Cambodia stepped in to save the day.
How desperate is a ship to approach Cambodia for help?
Posted on 2/13/20 at 10:52 pm to real turf fan
the Chinese don’t have guns. I wonder what it would be like if they did?
Posted on 2/13/20 at 10:58 pm to Bulletproof Lover
Yea. You are naive if you think there will be large quarantines here. People are way too independent minded for that. There is no collectivist mindset like in China.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 11:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
No one wants to be the person to tell a well armed American they have to go to some quarantine center. Completely different ballgame than China.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 11:09 pm to The Pirate King
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Are you serious with this? What do you think ICU is? You’re so caught up being a contrarian, that you’re ignoring the fact that you hav no idea what you’re talking about.
ICU is for critical care.
Critical is a defined medical condition, but subjective.
Serious is a condition and also subjective.
There are hundreds of studies that illustrate how ICU admission standards vary across the US. I posted a damn article that points out Scalise leaving ICU while still being listed in serious condition.
Yet, a handful of posters on the OT know that every serious condition is an ICU case.
It's even more comical that point out this very clear fact makes me a contrarian, apparently.
I honestly can't believe this obvious truth has caused so much of a stir.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 11:12 pm to real turf fan
That ship left Singapore. I assume they couldn't go back because of fuel/supplies? It doesn't seem like they were rejected by Singapore in the article.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 11:15 pm to slackster
Just stop digging the hole
This all started when you said someone with a fever is unstable.
None of which you linked
You posted an article from some moron New York Times journalist who knows as much about medicine as you. I’m not surprised you think that’s significant.
This all started when you said someone with a fever is unstable.
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There are hundreds of studies that illustrate how ICU admission standards vary across the US.
None of which you linked
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I posted a damn article that points out Scalise leaving ICU while still being listed in serious condition.
You posted an article from some moron New York Times journalist who knows as much about medicine as you. I’m not surprised you think that’s significant.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 11:24 pm to slackster
This thread is long enough without having to add a few pages of pissing matches.
Could we create a second thread reserved just for such and keep news,etc of the virus situation here?
Could we create a second thread reserved just for such and keep news,etc of the virus situation here?
Posted on 2/13/20 at 11:28 pm to East Coast Band
How are you gonna sit there and suggest creating a second thread when it’s clear you have no clue what you’re talking about?
Please!
Quit while you’re ahead. You’re a joke.
Please!
Quit while you’re ahead. You’re a joke.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 11:42 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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This all started when you said someone with a fever is unstable.
Body temperature is absolutely a vital sign. Pneumonia is often accompanied with respiratory issues. Sorry I didn't spell out the obvious in my previous post. If you've got both, by definition you have unstable and abnormal vitals.
I can't believe we're actually arguing clearly defined terms. Y'all are so flustered y'all are actually trying to argue a fever isn't an unstable vital sign.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 12:31 am to boxcarbarney
What’s a public bath? Communal showers? Designated public body waste room with toilets and urinals, etc?
Posted on 2/14/20 at 1:28 am to CCT
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What’s a public bath?
I assume the North Korean ones are like a Japanese onsen.
Basically, a big hot tub/spa that usually is around hot springs.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 1:29 am
Posted on 2/14/20 at 1:52 am to Teddy Ruxpin
Man this has become a shot thread.
Waz following bit it seems a few think they know everything there is to know about everything and comes across as assholes.
I have no idea how things will turn put in the long run but if this thread is any indication as are fricked by more than the virus if it does cause problems.
I hope they are prepared for whatever comes. I for one will never enter a quarantine if it ever came to that (don't think it will). I can fend for myself, hunt, grow crops, have my own self sufficient water source, fish, everything I need. If they were to force me anywhere it will be to another dimension. I ain't moving baw.
Waz following bit it seems a few think they know everything there is to know about everything and comes across as assholes.
I have no idea how things will turn put in the long run but if this thread is any indication as are fricked by more than the virus if it does cause problems.
I hope they are prepared for whatever comes. I for one will never enter a quarantine if it ever came to that (don't think it will). I can fend for myself, hunt, grow crops, have my own self sufficient water source, fish, everything I need. If they were to force me anywhere it will be to another dimension. I ain't moving baw.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 2:05 am to reo45
This is a devastating report about the conditions that coronavirus patients in Wuhan are being forced to endure right now.
LINK
For those who don't want to sign-in to the NY Times, here are a couple of snippets.
LINK
For those who don't want to sign-in to the NY Times, here are a couple of snippets.
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One Wuhan resident, Peng Andong, 59, had been suffering from a persistent fever and lung infection for days when his local neighborhood committee told him to go to a makeshift quarantine site last week. Mr. Peng and his family were told that there would be doctors at the quarantine site, as well as test kits so he could get the official confirmation needed to receive proper treatment.
So on Feb. 5, Mr. Peng boarded a bus full of sick patients — none wearing protective gear — and was driven to a hotel converted into an isolation center. For several days, Mr. Peng messaged with his relatives regularly, updating them on the tumultuous conditions inside the hotel. “He said it was really chaotic in the first few days and there was no food or medical staff there,” said Peng Bangze, his son. Others have described similar conditions in interviews and in calls for help posted on social media.
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Deng Chao, 30, said that although doctors had told him he almost certainly had the coronavirus, he hadn’t yet received the official results from the test that is needed for hospital admission. Instead he was sent to a Wuhan hotel where he has been in a government-imposed quarantine for nearly a week.
Now, he said, he was getting progressively sicker and finding it more difficult to breathe. He said security guards had been stationed at the hotel entrance to prevent patients from escaping — and there were no doctors or medicine. “This is really like a prison,” Mr. Deng said. “Send me to a hospital, please, I need treatment,“ he said, in between bouts of coughing. “There is no one to take care of us here.”
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Peng Bangze, whose father was sent on a crowded bus to a converted hotel for isolation, recalled visiting last Saturday, after his father had been unreachable all day. He found his father in a comatose state alone in his room. Panicked, he called for help. When the ambulance came, both the driver and the hotel security guard refused to help him move his father, a construction worker, into the vehicle for fear of getting infected, the son said.
One hour later, the son was told that the hospital had no bed for his father and that he should go home and wait. Two days — and many phone calls — later, Mr. Peng’s relatives finally received a call from the local government notifying them that a hospital bed had been arranged. But when Mr. Peng’s son arrived at the hotel to help with the transfer, his father was lying face down on the bed, lifeless, in the same position he had left him.
The workers at the isolation venue had no explanation. They disinfected the room, the father’s body was removed for cremation, and the son collected his belongings. “I don’t know how this happened,” the son said. “It all happened in a few days. How could he suddenly be gone?”
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 2:13 am
Posted on 2/14/20 at 2:50 am to slackster
Assume u are in the medical field. Most people don’t know that when hospitals report conditions of patients it’s strictly based on vital signs
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