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re: The plane was NOT shot down!!!
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:28 am to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:28 am to ChineseBandit58
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Seems unlikely that a non-military aircraft carrier would have any controlled maneuverability after an AA missile strike.
Keep a couple of things in mind. The warheads in AA missiles aren’t particularly large. It’s not like the movies where they hit a plane and the plane dissolves in an enormous explosion. Most are heat seekers and go for the engine, disable the engine and damage the fuselage and then things tear apart from there due to the high speeds that military jets travel. Large explosions are caused by the fuel carried on the plane.
Commercial jets are huge compared to a military fighter and have multiple engines. So it is entirely likely they could take a hit to one engine and have enough residual control to start to head back before the wing gives way and/or the fire from the engine reaches the fuel in the wing tanks.
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:35 am to omegaman66
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Was it shot down?
Yes
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:37 am to Wtodd
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more than likely it was shot down bc Iran's military sucks.
This.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by mere ineptitude.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:19 am to Ag Zwin
I read from one of the new wires that one of the wings was “peppered with holes.”
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:25 am to Wtodd
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IMO you're overthinking this; more than likely it was shot down bc Iran's military sucks
You may be correct. I’m more perplexed about why it was allowed to take off. And do we have confirmation that the black box was recovered and given to the Ukrainian authorities and verified by those authorities?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:34 am to ItNeverRains
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And do we have confirmation that the black box was recovered and given to the Ukrainian authorities and verified by those authorities?
We have confirmation the Iranians have the black box and are REFUSING to turn it over to any investigators.
LINK
Unless something changed since yesterday, relevant pull quote:
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Iran is refusing to hand over the black box of the doomed Ukrainian airliner to Boeing amid an investigation into what caused the crash that killed all 176 people aboard the flight out of Tehran early Wednesday, according to a report.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:36 am to BuckyCheese
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A 737 will fly on one engine supposedly.
Yeah, itll fly you all the way to the crash site.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:41 am to BuckyCheese
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Who was on the plane?
yahtzee!
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:42 am to UnitedFruitCompany
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A 737 will fly on one engine supposedly.
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Yeah, itll fly you all the way to the crash site.
Your little quip is completely uninformed. Unless the failure happens in the first 200 feet of a takeoff, even a novice 737 pilot could guide the aircraft to a safe landing on one engine
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:44 am to ItNeverRains
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I’m more perplexed about why it was allowed to take off
That's the real question and it seriously could have been miscommunication.....we may never know.
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And do we have confirmation that the black box was recovered and given to the Ukrainian authorities and verified by those authorities?
Ukraine, Canada and the Swedes are in route to Iran to investigate.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:11 am to BayBengal9
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I thought about this... now I'm not sure what kind of common language Ukranian pilots are speaking to Iranian air controllers or whatever, but what if the plane WAS NOT supposed to take off and did... then was told to turn back to the airport, and at that point got shot down while they were trying to land.
No plane gets to a runway and takes off with the ok. There are multiple communications with the control tower between starting engines, taxiing to runway & takeoff. No pilot is taking off without a clear go from control tower for multiple reasons but mostly because they don’t want to die.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:13 am to Ag Zwin
I actually heard the media use the term “crash landed” yesterday.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:17 am to ItNeverRains
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I wonder if they’ve read this yet?
IMO this came from the Ukrainians
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:01 pm to BuckyCheese
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Airplane engines don't just catch fire in flight. When was the last time you heard of a passenger jet engine having an engine just catch fire?
A 737 will fly on one engine supposedly.
Well, yeah, but that fact alone doesn't stop a fire in the other engine from spreading and bringing the plane down. Is there some type of fire suppression capability that would extinguish an engine fire and keep it from spreading?
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:04 pm to Wtodd
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Ukraine, Canada and the Swedes are in route to Iran to investigate.
Welp... now the Iranians are saying the memory system on the black box is "damaged" and incomplete.
LINK /
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The preliminary report from Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization stated that search crews recovered both black boxes – in-flight recorders used to document the last moments of a flight in the event of a crash – and that they had successfully recovered cockpit communications and other data. The crash, the agency said, damaged some of the memory, however, meaning the information recovered is allegedly incomplete.
Right.........
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:12 pm to Ag Zwin
Iran is claiming it was a "mechanical failure". 
Well...okay...sort of. The mechanical properties of the jet failed to withstand the missile impact.
Liars.
Well...okay...sort of. The mechanical properties of the jet failed to withstand the missile impact.
Liars.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:51 pm to oleheat
Reading the passenger list LINK It appears as though the "Canadians" were primarily of middle eastern ethnicity. The Iranians killed their own people? Maybe they all were expecting the destruction that their government deserved and wanted to get the hell out of town before the US responded by warming things up a bit.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:03 pm to ImaObserver
Russian built SA15 missile.Done. 
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:33 pm to Wtodd
It looked like a Roman Candle coming down.
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