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re: Best Deer Hunting WMA in Louisiana
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:49 am to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:49 am to Cowboyfan89
quote:Is having the shittiest public lands in the country (seems to be the general consensus in this thread) better?
Regardless, privatizing public lands is the WORST frickin idea, unless you can figure out a way to keep them open to the public and have wildlife as a priority.
Why not lease them to people who will actually care for property? Add public land management to the list of things that Louisiana is near the bottom.
If you insisted on keeping the land open to the public, perhaps the annual permit fee could be in the neighborhood of $200-300 instead of $15. Put a limit of 2 deer per person, size/antler restrictions, and more agents to enforce. I could get on board with that. Then you could keep them open to the public, prioritize wildlife, and pay for it with fees from the people who are using it. But rather than letting any slapdick shoot 6 yearlings a year for $15, Louisiana ought to just privatize the WMAs.
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Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:07 am to Mr Wonderful
quote:
Is having the shittiest public lands in the country (seems to be the general consensus in this thread) better?
Why not lease them to people who will actually care for property? Add public land management to the list of things that Louisiana is near the bottom.
If you insisted on keeping the land open to the public, perhaps the annual permit fee could be in the neighborhood of $200-300 instead of $15. Put a limit of 2 deer per person, size/antler restrictions, and more agents to enforce. I could get on board with that. Then you could keep them open to the public, prioritize wildlife, and pay for it with fees from the people who are using it. But rather than letting any slapdick shoot 6 yearlings a year for $15, Louisiana ought to just privatize the WMAs.
There's a lot of great people who don't have money to join a lease and enjoy hunting public land. Taking away all the woods for the public would be a disgrace and is an absolutely awful idea. I'm fine with raising prices but $2-300 seems excessive, maybe $100. I agree the state can do better though. You may have enough money to stay in a lease or have private land, many don't. It's already hard enough to get kids into hunting now, taking away all the options and places to take them damn sure isn't going to make it easier to get them interested.
I love taking my son to Kisatchie, whether it's squirrel or deer hunting. Granted that's Federal land, but we had lots of fun in Jackson Bienville WMA, and were crushed when it went private, Union WMA did the same thing. I know they weren't state owned, but I couldn't imagine a place like Russel Sage where I know several guys who hunt there, losing that.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:11 am to JakeMik
quote:What are we lacking? Please be specific.
The state’s handling of WMA’s in this state is a straight joke
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:19 am to Mr Wonderful
quote:
Is having the shittiest public lands in the country (seems to be the general consensus in this thread) better?
Why not lease them to people who will actually care for property? Add public land management to the list of things that Louisiana is near the bottom.
If you insisted on keeping the land open to the public, perhaps the annual permit fee could be in the neighborhood of $200-300 instead of $15. Put a limit of 2 deer per person, size/antler restrictions, and more agents to enforce. I could get on board with that. Then you could keep them open to the public, prioritize wildlife, and pay for it with fees from the people who are using it. But rather than letting any slapdick shoot 6 yearlings a year for $15, Louisiana ought to just privatize the WMAs.
Hey baw, cant eat horns. Let me shoot my 3 spikes and 3 yearling does a year on my wmas and you worry about your trophies. Ground meat done got expensive at the store.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:31 am to White Bear
Roads you can drive anything but a jacked up truck down for one
Bridges and trails that dont have rotten boards or laid over trees for second.
A check in out process staffed to aid and engage outdoorsman
Restrictions on different wmas to suit hunters looking for different challenges.
A coordinated lottery system to maximize use of lands
Biologist available to discuss the terrain and hazards as well as provide support to new hunters
Public restrooms and maintained campgrounds
Im not interested in paying more since we cant even get anything our of what we pay now.
Bridges and trails that dont have rotten boards or laid over trees for second.
A check in out process staffed to aid and engage outdoorsman
Restrictions on different wmas to suit hunters looking for different challenges.
A coordinated lottery system to maximize use of lands
Biologist available to discuss the terrain and hazards as well as provide support to new hunters
Public restrooms and maintained campgrounds
Im not interested in paying more since we cant even get anything our of what we pay now.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:36 am to White Bear
Enforcement, maintenance, timber management, wildlife management....it’s goes on and on.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:58 am to JakeMik
Now that I have had the chance to hunt elsewhere, it really makes me sad that our state land is in the condition it is. I also hate that we have a 4 month rifle season and can kill 6 deer a year. The potential for big mature deer is so great in this state but the "it's brown, it's down crew" will shoot 75 lb yearlings at 645 every morning.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:03 am to jimjackandjose
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Roads you can drive anything but a jacked up truck down for one
You can drive a camaro in russell sage and walk 50 yards from the vehicle and start hunting. I wish we had LESS access
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A check in out process staffed to aid and engage outdoorsmen
Have an easy app now to check in and out which is awesome. Or do you want like a Walmart greeter out there asking how you doing every morning? You can call any office and get in touch with someone who will talk to you about whatever it is you wanna tell about
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Restrictions on different wmas to suit hunters looking for different challenges.
Our hunting pamphlet is full of restrictions already.
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A coordinated lottery system to maximize use of lands
Lotteries restrict use not maximize it. Screw a lottery
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Biologist available to discuss the terrain and hazards as well as provide support to new hunters
Call them. There are plenty to provide support or whatever you need.
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Public restrooms and maintained campgrounds.
You can camp basically where you want which is awesome. Public restrooms are a disaster to maintain.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:15 am to jimjackandjose
quote:Many WMA's have campgrounds. Granted, its primitive campgrounds usually with a port-a-potty. Actual restrooms would be far more money and trouble than its worth considering most WMA's don't exactly have municipal water nearby, so you'd be spending a ton to build it, get running water, then having to maintain/clean the restrooms to be used by a handful of hunters who camp out. Money would be better spent elsewhere like maintaining trails or planting food plots.
Public restrooms and maintained campgrounds
quote:LDWF's website lists the biologist/agent in charge of each WMA with a phone number and email address if you want to get info about a particular WMA
Biologist available to discuss the terrain and hazards as well as provide support to new hunters
quote:Already exists. Some WMA's are managed for different species, or archery only, etc.
Restrictions on different wmas to suit hunters looking for different challenges.
quote:Having full time staff at WMA entrances? You realize how many people you'd have to hire and how much that would cost? Again, money spent better on other WMA projects.
A check in out process staffed to aid and engage outdoorsman
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:19 am to Ron Cheramie
quote:Georgia Pacific aka Plum Creek was involved in a lawsuit with some shady Morehouse parish lawyers disputing the fact they didn't pay property taxes, per an agreement with the state. Plum Creek simply said, "okay we'll cancel our agreement with the state and pay your taxes". Would you like to guess who snatched up those Plum Creek/Georgia Pacific hunting leases, those same shady lawyers.
The state can’t come close to the money they can get for leasing it out
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:20 am to Mr Wonderful
quote:
Is having the shittiest public lands in the country (seems to be the general consensus in this thread) better?
Why not lease them to people who will actually care for property?
Name a single state that manages public land like this.
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If you insisted on keeping the land open to the public, perhaps the annual permit fee could be in the neighborhood of $200-300 instead of $15.
Name another state that even charges for public land hunting, much less $200.
The crappy public land management is because of the crappy hunters we have. Some fella posted the notice about the proposed forest treatments by LDWF on so many WMAs for next year on the LA Deer Hunters Facebook forum. Majority of the comments are people bitching about them cutting trees. Half of them think "virgin", closed canopy forest is a good thing.
LDWF is ultimately responsible, but when the dumbass public fights scientific, fact-based land management, what the hell do you expect to be the outcome?
Limits and land management will never change as long as the "it's brown, it's down" army is the majority of hunters in Louisiana.
Serious question here: for those of you on the pro-privitization wagon, what state's and public lands are you talking about? Because if we are talking about the western US, half of that is federal land anyway.
I would love one example of how privatizing public lands has worked anywhere. I don't see the state selling off all of it's public land and keeping it public. It's just not going to happen. Why would anyone buy that land, knowing they don't have full control over it?
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 11:25 am
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:26 am to MrRooster2You
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Now that I have had the chance to hunt elsewhere, it really makes me sad that our state land is in the condition it is.
This. Louisiana and Mississippi have public land that could rival anything in the country.
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:41 am to lsu13lsu
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This. Louisiana and Mississippi have public land that could rival anything in the country.
Our problem is the people that live in these states. We are trashy mofos and that’s why we can’t have anything nice.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:43 pm to lsu13lsu
That is my point. We could have many world class deer here. Not hunt an entire year and never see deer.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:54 pm to Ron Cheramie
It is that and there just inst the money for the necessary things to be done, like everything else in this state. I am sure the biologist and managers know what needs to be done but their hands are tied.
None of this changes the fact that we still have some of the most mismanaged public lands in the country. They do what they can but it is very little of what is needed.
None of this changes the fact that we still have some of the most mismanaged public lands in the country. They do what they can but it is very little of what is needed.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:59 pm to MrRooster2You
quote:
Not hunt an entire year and never see deer.
what public lands are you guys hunting?
I only hunt public land and have yet to go and not see at least a couple deer
I also missed the largest buck I've ever seen while hunting earlier this year
that includes hunting on private land and OOS
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 12/11/19 at 1:00 pm to Tiger Prawn
Drop in restrooms with a tank built in are relatively inexpensive.
The biologist are not available. Go to colorado, you can cal anytime for information. The biologist know the land and are working it daily.
In Louisiana, we dont even maintain the duck impoundments built by DU. Under staffed to do what is neccessary.
Restrictions here dont touch how other states manage their lands. MS has differing restrictions based on area and deer herd. Quality deer are coming out of their wmas at much high success rates with less cluster
The App is a good improvement for general access.
The biologist are not available. Go to colorado, you can cal anytime for information. The biologist know the land and are working it daily.
In Louisiana, we dont even maintain the duck impoundments built by DU. Under staffed to do what is neccessary.
Restrictions here dont touch how other states manage their lands. MS has differing restrictions based on area and deer herd. Quality deer are coming out of their wmas at much high success rates with less cluster
The App is a good improvement for general access.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 1:04 pm to Ron Cheramie
JJJ and Jake hit the nail on the head.
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 12/11/19 at 1:08 pm to MrRooster2You
Dewey Willis is a pretty tough swamp to hunt, but it has some monster bucks.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 1:15 pm to jimjackandjose
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Under staffed to do what is neccessary.
Welcome to the government. It isn't the agencies fault that they don't have the staff. It's the politicians who set hiring caps. USFWS has the same issue. Lacassine NWR hasn't had a manager in who knows how long. They have a prairie in the Duralde area that geta very little management because of lack of staff. Pintail Wildlife Drive at Cameron Prairie NWR used to be one of the best places to go see ducks. The place is grown over now because they don't have the manpower to do what needs to be done.
And I guarantee you that is the case in many places.
And let's face it, you're comparing oranges to apples if you are going to use Colorado as an example. How much of their budget comes from out-of-state hunters like yourself? Those western states damn near live and die by OOS license sales.
And AGAIN the majority of that acreage isn't even state-owned. It's federal. Colorado has over 23 million acres open to hunting...500k of it is state-owned. We have 1.3 million acres; 750k of it is state-owned. So, do you think that's a fair comparison when, in all likelihood, the land you are talking about in Colorado isn't even state-owned?
And I call bullshite on the biologists not being available. I've never had a problem getting a WMA manager by phone or e-mail when I had a question.
ETA: and before someone calls me out, I'm not saying our public lands are great. They can definitely be better, but to act like you can compare our lands to anything out west is deceiptful. It's 2 completely different places with 2 majorly different revenue streams. And I doubt seriously that they have a hunting population as ill-informed and ignorant as ours. We have idiots fighting prescribed burning every year because they think it burns all the turkeys up.
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 1:21 pm
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