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re: Stunning Admission By Renowned Atheist; Decline of Christianity is Hurting Society
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:17 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:17 am to TrueTiger
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quote: Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:01 am to ShortyRob
And this is why I'm an atheist who has zero interest in convincing you to be one
I will happily debate you when you get my ideas wrong. But. If want to believe and it makes you happy, I'm good. Moreover. I'm not gonna shite my pants if most around me believe and choose to say a prayer out loud or put up a Nativity scene.
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exactly
and once you realize that having relatively happy believers all around you is a net positive for you (as opposed to unhappy non-believers)
then wouldn't you want their belief system to be of the more benign variety and not the 'convert or die' variety?
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Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:21 am to TrueTiger
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have you considered that you are the exception?
I always consider that.
If there's one common theme with me, it's that I generally think people are ignorant.
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and that the masses need religion and taking it away from them will negatively impact you?
Who said anything about taking it away? My hope is that it comes organically.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:22 am to ChineseBandit58
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congratulation to both of these posters
Truth be known, I'd imagine there are many atheists who are more tolerable than some Christians. My big problem with Christians is that many of them want to be Christian just on Sundays. Kind of why I lost interest in the church, not God,just the church itself.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:22 am to ChineseBandit58
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sadly
You think positivity in my life is something to be sad about?
That isn't very nice.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:24 am to Homesick Tiger
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Kind of why I lost interest in the church, not God,just the church itself.
I can respect that. Too many are unable to separate the two. If the church or the Bible isn't absolute, they feel like it's all a sham.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:25 am to TrueTiger
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and once you realize that having relatively happy believers all around you is a net positive for you (as opposed to unhappy non-believers)
then wouldn't you want their belief system to be of the more benign variety and not the 'convert or die' variety?
Christians are to tell others about Jesus, and live out their Faith in a way that honors the Father; by not bowing down in a fallen world. This is the way we make converts...primarily by attraction, but also by promotion.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:25 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Who said anything about taking it away? My hope is that it comes organically
I tend to agree.
Besides overtly pushing like so many militant atheists do does more harm than good as far as I'm concerned.
As I said earlier in the thread the problem isn't so much the push against religion as that the people doing the pushing aren't trying to replace the moral framework they are trying to eliminate any moral framework.
Lastly the reality is for me at least that most atheists I know are just raving assholes and unlikable people.
I don't even understand the concept of militant atheism. In practice, it just ends up looking a whole lot like militant theism.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:29 am to ShortyRob
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o replace the moral framework they are trying to eliminate any moral framework.
right
and that vacuum will be filled, but with what?
Islam?
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:34 am to FooManChoo
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Considering God doesn't directly command such activities any longer...
Hold on a second there lump of clay, your not in the position to tell the potter what he is and isn't going to do.
Besides you've already agreed when you said since God gave us life it's perfectly within his objective moral to end someone's life.
If you're still having a hard time imagining this just pretend you lived 3000 years ago, they were, according to your own belief system, living through exactly what I just described.
They couldn't even subjectively disagree.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:40 am to Azkiger
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Hold on a second there lump of clay, your not in the position to tell the potter what he is and isn't going to do.
That's the problem with his whole argument in these threads. Forgetting what anybody else says the stuff he says isn't internally consistent with itself. He's basically built up his own personal framework and declared it God's
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:42 am to TrueTiger
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and that vacuum will be filled, but with what?
Islam?
Why does it need to be filled with something, particularly another religion?
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:46 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Why does it need to be filled with something, particularly another religion?
I'm not saying it has to be, I'm just observing human history and noting that it tends to be.
Like it or not, it's what people do.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:48 am to TrueTiger
I know what people do. How have these religions typically gained influence, I wonder?
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:48 am to ShortyRob
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As I said earlier in the thread the problem isn't so much the push against religion as that the people doing the pushing aren't trying to replace the moral framework they are trying to eliminate any moral framework
Wouldn't this be an example of "evil"?
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:48 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Why does it need to be filled with something, particularly another religion?
Outside of individual teaching of morality and scruples, what other entity is out there that profess both of those characteristics other than religion?
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:48 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Why does it need to be filled with something, particularly another religion?
I will say that I somewhat agree with the idea of that like it or not societies seek belief systems and absent one they will seek another.
We can dislike it individually all we want but I do think we should be mindful of the fact and consider that even if we don't like choice a choice b could be worse
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:51 am to Perfect Circle
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Wouldn't this be an example of "evil"?
Perhaps but I think that sort of an unnecessary loaded word. The bottom line is that I think people way over estimate how awesome everybody just doing their own thing we'll look.
Obviously my point of view is different but as an atheist I don't think that the reason religion is found everywhere in the world is only about theistic belief.
I think they basically every society dating back to primitive ones figured out pretty quickly that while individuals might be able to handle it as a group humans kind of suck without a moral framework
Posted on 11/8/19 at 7:55 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Why does it need to be filled with something, particularly another religion?
I'm convinced our brains are "hardwired" to believe in something greater than ourselves. Every society has this belief.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 8:09 am to Homesick Tiger
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Outside of individual teaching of morality and scruples, what other entity is out there that profess both of those characteristics other than religion?
Self-preservation.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 8:10 am to ShortyRob
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I will say that I somewhat agree with the idea of that like it or not societies seek belief systems and absent one they will seek another.
Those belief systems don't need to be organized religion.
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