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re: Official Joker SPOILERS/Discussion Thread
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:53 am to WicKed WayZ
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:53 am to WicKed WayZ
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It’s a shame to hear that. One thing I think that’s been missing from the live action Joker’s, aside from parts of Nicholson’s, is that the Joker is actually pretty funny and cracks jokes a lot. Look at Mark Hamill’s Joker. If they could incorporate more of that along with the dark elements, that would be something.
If I had to make one complaint about the movie vs the comics it would be that JP’s joker wasn’t funny. He actually was seemly a failed comedian and got laughed at for his awkwardness more so than his comedy.
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Posted on 10/6/19 at 1:16 am to dawgfan24348
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It'll need to be like 10 or so years into the future because Bruce is a kid right now
So what do you do in the mean time?
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:01 am to TheeRealCarolina
Any else think that he was in Arkham the entire time and none of it happened?
He clearly fantasized stuff the entire movie (being in the audience and being praised by Deniros character and his relationship with Sophie). Plus the scene when he meets Bruce could definitely have been a fantasy as well.
Maybe at least the events didnt happen the way he said they did. Kinda like hes an unreliable narrator and tells the story the way he saw it.
He clearly fantasized stuff the entire movie (being in the audience and being praised by Deniros character and his relationship with Sophie). Plus the scene when he meets Bruce could definitely have been a fantasy as well.
Maybe at least the events didnt happen the way he said they did. Kinda like hes an unreliable narrator and tells the story the way he saw it.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 7:40 am to RBWilliams8
Well, one twist about this movie I didn’t see really touched here:
The film leaves it ambiguous on if this is THE Joker or merely the inspiration for the real one.
Consider:
1) massive age difference between him and batman
2) Lack of humor to character as depicted in very other version; jokes really are duds
3) he is not exactly a brilliant mastermind
4) Already showed his influence on others.
The film leaves it ambiguous on if this is THE Joker or merely the inspiration for the real one.
Consider:
1) massive age difference between him and batman
2) Lack of humor to character as depicted in very other version; jokes really are duds
3) he is not exactly a brilliant mastermind
4) Already showed his influence on others.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 9:48 am
Posted on 10/6/19 at 8:40 am to Fleur De Lethal
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Any else think that he was in Arkham the entire time and none of it happened
No because there’s a sequence where they show what actually happened by himself with / without the girl, so the reality is actually depicted.
They were nuanced but they would let you know when it was a fantasy I thought. Remember, he was in bed with his mother watching the tv show when he started to fantasize about being on the show and they showed a shot in bed again when the fantasy was over.
Now, I may have missed other tells and there’s a possibility certain aspects aren’t as they appear
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 8:41 am
Posted on 10/6/19 at 9:17 am to TheeRealCarolina
I was surprised by how graphic the gun violence was, given today’s climate.
It was very good though. Almost a case study in human psychosis.
It was very good though. Almost a case study in human psychosis.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 10:32 am to TheeRealCarolina
You know what else was awesome? The incorporation of that cheer song that they play at games
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This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 10:36 am
Posted on 10/6/19 at 10:47 am to Yowie Wowie
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Gitesh Pandya @GiteshPandya
#Joker opens triumphantly at #1 this wknd with a record $93.5M. Biggest OCT debut of all-time easily beating $80.3M from #Venom this same wknd last year. 4th largest opening wknd of all-time for an R-rated movie behind only the #Deadpool films and #It.
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Gitesh Pandya @GiteshPandya
Massive $140.5M this wknd at intl #boxoffice for #Joker putting global launch at stellar $234M beating industry expectations. Top mkts - Korea $16.3M, UK $14.8M, Mexico $13.1M and Russia $10M. Moviegoers worldwide are connecting with #ArthurFleck.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 10:49 am
Posted on 10/6/19 at 10:55 am to Volvagia
Aside from heath/bale, all the movie jokers were older though, correct? At least Nicholson and Cesar were.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:22 am to RBWilliams8
Older yes, but only Cesar was in the time frame we are talking about here.
Nicholson was older as an actor, but I got the vibe of the two characters being analogous age, not generational differences.
In any case I was also speaking in terms of comic origins. Almost every story has them being contemporaries.
Also, to be clear, I am not arguing that he is definitely not the "Joker," just that I appreciate the deliberate ambiguity to leave things flexible for the muddled mess that is the DC universe.
Nicholson was older as an actor, but I got the vibe of the two characters being analogous age, not generational differences.
In any case I was also speaking in terms of comic origins. Almost every story has them being contemporaries.
Also, to be clear, I am not arguing that he is definitely not the "Joker," just that I appreciate the deliberate ambiguity to leave things flexible for the muddled mess that is the DC universe.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:35 am to Volvagia
Standing on the police car at the end, it seemed clear enough he was the joker.. the end of the show was really just the formative beginning of the personality.. the dude jokes were beginning then as well.
never before have i felt somewhat conflicted and empathetic for a psychotic killer. which i suppose means the movie was well done.
never before have i felt somewhat conflicted and empathetic for a psychotic killer. which i suppose means the movie was well done.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:52 pm to Volvagia
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Nicholson was older as an actor, but I got the vibe of the two characters being analogous age, not generational differences.
Well, Joker kills Bruce’s parents in Batman when he appears to be about 30 years old, but still much younger looking than JP here.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:04 pm to Yowie Wowie
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You know what else was awesome? The incorporation of that cheer song that they play at games
They’re catching shite for that too. Garry Glitter is a convicted pedophile and that song has been banned from most sports venues.
Some critics are saying it’s part of Phillips’ intentional plan to sell tickets through controversy instead of art.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:15 pm to Proximo
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Well, Joker kills Bruce’s parents in Batman when he appears to be about 30 years old, but still much younger looking than JP here.
Seriously. The age difference is really a non-story.
If anything, Joker having insane strength combined with old man strength makes for a formidable foe. :)
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:57 pm to Proximo
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Well, Joker kills Bruce’s parents in Batman when he appears to be about 30 years old, but still much younger looking than JP here.
And where is it stated that Burton’s Joker defined the role?
It’s 50:50 in film, but strongly slanted against in source comics.
To act like depictions 30-60 years ago are definitive reasons why it’s not ambiguous is just silly. Especially in a film that isn’t intended to fit into the current narrative.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:01 pm to TheeRealCarolina
A few things folks need to understand:
1. This is NOT canon. All the age difference means is that this Batman would eventually end up fighting a Joker that's much older.
2. This movie is a very slow burn. It's not an expansion of the dark humor of Ledger's Joker but rather a viewing of one man's slow descent into madness.
With that said, the buildup to it felt like this Joker would be as dark as Ledger's but with some of the dark humor of Hamill's. In that, this movie let me down. The story I was expecting wasn't what is playing in the theaters.
Instead what we got was a series of slow but powerful events that relentlessly chiseled away at the psyche of a man already teetering on an edge we keep finding is more precarious than we thought with each new revelation Arthur uncovers. For the type of story this movie is telling and how it's telling it, it needed time and slow pacing to tell that story adequately. Joaquin did a fricking MASTERFUL job with this iteration of the Joker and deserves an Oscar nomination for it.
TL;DR - It was a good movie for what it was, but what the previews portrayed seemed to be something with a lot more violence and very dark humor.
Footnote: I don't know if that first shot of Joker in the back of the police car was meant to be an homage to Ledger's Joker but I took it as such (and appreciated it).
1. This is NOT canon. All the age difference means is that this Batman would eventually end up fighting a Joker that's much older.
2. This movie is a very slow burn. It's not an expansion of the dark humor of Ledger's Joker but rather a viewing of one man's slow descent into madness.
With that said, the buildup to it felt like this Joker would be as dark as Ledger's but with some of the dark humor of Hamill's. In that, this movie let me down. The story I was expecting wasn't what is playing in the theaters.
Instead what we got was a series of slow but powerful events that relentlessly chiseled away at the psyche of a man already teetering on an edge we keep finding is more precarious than we thought with each new revelation Arthur uncovers. For the type of story this movie is telling and how it's telling it, it needed time and slow pacing to tell that story adequately. Joaquin did a fricking MASTERFUL job with this iteration of the Joker and deserves an Oscar nomination for it.
TL;DR - It was a good movie for what it was, but what the previews portrayed seemed to be something with a lot more violence and very dark humor.
Footnote: I don't know if that first shot of Joker in the back of the police car was meant to be an homage to Ledger's Joker but I took it as such (and appreciated it).
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:40 pm to RBWilliams8
quote:His best stuff was the day he left his job.
comics it would be that JP’s joker wasn’t funny
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:02 pm to Volvagia
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And where is it stated that Burton’s Joker defined the role?
I was literally only responding to what you posted (example being Nicholson as Joker). Maybe take issue with that first
and to clarify, 30 years is a generational difference, no?This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:11 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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The age difference is really a non-story.
I agree with this statement. Regardless of the age, IF we somehow got a Batman in a sequel or maybe even as part of a trilogy (wishful thinking—really don’t think Batman will appears because of Pattinson’s version but there are 2 Jokers now so who knows) he would be just starting out as Batman.
That would still only be a 30ish year age difference (estimate 10 year old Bruce to 45 year old Joker) and a non-issue for a single movie.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:16 pm to Volvagia
quote:That would be lame
The film leaves it ambiguous on if this is THE Joker or merely the inspiration for the real one.
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