re: Official Joker SPOILERS/Discussion Thread

I was pleased at how they broke from the traditional Joker story arch. I was expecting him to jump off into a life of crime, and then develop a copycat following. And that's not what happens. Most of the development from Man to Joker happens basically in isolation. He's entirely disconnected from the social protest movement that's developing along a parallel tract. So he seems kind of astonished that he becomes the face of the movement. It's like the Reluctant Anti Hero.

I thought it ended rather abruptly. I think it could have used another 15 mins to flesh out the Joker in his new role as the centerpiece of the Gotham Antifa.

Whoever said there jaw was on the floor the whole movie nailed it. I constantly caught myself with my mouth hanging open. The descent into madness was absolutely astonishing and like you guys said, weighed very heavily on you the whole movie. It was a little slow, but gripping nonetheless.

Second viewing tonight. My entire body wasn’t clenched this time around. It went by a lot faster.

The T and W on Thomas Wayne on the envelope Penny addressed is the same T and W on the photo of her that “Thomas” signed. She definitely forged that.

Besides the Excalibur posters outside the theater (in BvS the movie the Waynes see is Excalibur instead of Zorro) you can see a poster for the movie Arthur. Nice touches.

Joaquin Phoenix is the best actor in Hollywood and has been for a long time.

I just fricking loved it. It actually made me feel bad for a homicidal maniac. Deniro didn't deserve to die, but I didn't feel bad when he was killed. Just like that Wayne employee who originally got away. It wasn't right that he was killed, but I didn't feel bad either.

Little Gary survived

I was going to feel real bad if he got whacked.

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I love how it’s left open at the end to begin the Pattinson films. They could or they couldn’t. I’d like to see them build off of this one.

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I hope they do. Phoenix's Joker doesn't really become fully realized until the last 20 minutes or so of the film, and he's mesmerizing every second he's on screen.

I just wish we had more of that. They've said this is a standalone film, but given that this film is going to pull close to $200 million worldwide in its opening weekend, I really hope that makes them reconsider.

They could set up something special here with Phoenix reprising the role in a more connected series of films.

That’s not true. He was going to be Dr. Strange but refused to sign a multi-picture deal.

Exactly Joaquin is not signing up for sequels. It would be cool to see one more, but it ain't happening.

You two need to either get married or decide to become each other's arch-enemy. Pick one and move on.