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When did our culture quit producing men that would “do what’s right”?

Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:44 pm
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:44 pm
My dad is the epitome of a man who had no gray area. There’s right ... and there’s wrong. And you always do what’s right no matter how difficult it may be. At his retirement dinner, there were numerous people that worked under him that spoke to this being a quality that they respected and that helped them later in their careers. I’ve talked to him about it and he got it from his dad....a lower middle class guy who served in the war and worked for a linen company and was a farmer.

Where did we lose this? I watch politics and it almost seems like a game of get away with what you can and laugh it off if you get caught. We continue to vote in crooks and moral reprobates to govern us. Idiots and scumbags that are celebrated.

Our whole system is based on a population that holds people accountable for their actions. That’s failing everywhere you look. Politicians on both sides drive us to calamity for their own benefit. How do they sleep at night?

When did we stop valuing people with moral character? It’s fricking depressing.
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 9:47 pm
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
34895 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:52 pm to
Tough to keep up with the Jones’ that way
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6229 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:54 pm to
quote:

My dad is the epitome of a man who had no gray area.


What do you think about this? You're speaking as if you think this is admirable.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 10:02 pm to
the worst of it was caused by the baby boomers and their parents doing such an awful job of parenting. But the groundwork was laid as far back as the transcendentalist movement.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6963 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 10:09 pm to
Your dad sounds mentally ill.

To only see things in binary is a sub human trait.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 10:19 pm to
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22798 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 10:31 pm to
I agree 100% with the OP. I have noticed this over my lifetime.

I noticed when Hollywood started making movies that glorified the bad guy/crook.

I noticed when people started openly talking about cheating on tax returns etc. Sure it has always gone on, but it was not something you would blurt out and expect people to agree with you.

I noticed when people started taking up for the crappy kids instead of whipping their arse for being bad at school.

I remember watching a cartoon as a kid where the babysitter was given a book on raising kids with all the new way of handling it. When the mom got home and was faced with the childs bad manners. She took the book and said your aren't using it right and proceeded to use the book too whip the brat bent over her knee.

Todays you go to jail for such things and you better believe nothing like that is in cartoons today.

I remember when both Republicans and Democrats (voters) both wanted what was best for America.

I remember in a time before lawsuits when land owners didn't care if you fished or hunted on their land if they weren't wanting it for themselves. Now even if they don't mind they won't let you for fear of lawsuits.

Those days are long gone.
Posted by TigerMuskyFanMinneso
Boonies, MN
Member since Sep 2019
753 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 10:31 pm to
As a 75 year old, I can track it pretty well: it started as soon as the parents of the Greatest Generation went out of control and the era of Big Government really began --- coincides with the economic flourishing after WWII, the Communist party's going underground and successfully dedicating itself to destruction of American Culture and our values by infecting our education system (from the top down through our Ivy League institutions) and religious structure.....and now even our Military and Government......they are winning!
Posted by KANDUUU
Member since Sep 2019
472 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 11:35 pm to
I put a lot of blame on church's chasing the bodies to fill coffers for bigger churches, etc.

Growing up there was nothing that deserved more respect than the House of God. My dad made sure we understood that. You wore your "Sunday best", etc. Now you go to church with people looking like the just rolled out of bed or hanging out at the mall. The church use to be our guiding moral compass, and it no longer is. Therefore, how do people learn the moral decorum our society use to have??

Fore goodness sake, I heard that there is a fairly large amount of young people that don't know who Moses is. Ie...they don't know what the 10 Commandments are. The foundation of our moral compass.
Posted by Little Trump
Florida
Member since Nov 2017
5817 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 3:34 am to
2008-2016 precisely

Thanks obama
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
35146 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 3:36 am to
When we started celebrating and promoting single mothers
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
4646 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 4:18 am to
quote:

When did our culture quit producing men that would “do what’s right”?


The Great Society Act in 64-65, and the left has destroyed the nuclear family. Just look at the black communities fatherless homes before and after and that tells all you need to know.



Btw, I’m 32 and am very much like your father. Be who you are and what you believe regardless of what era you’re on this Earth.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 6:33 am to
There has always been a gray area. You are nostalgic for a time that never existed. People have always been like this, we just never saw it because we used to be separated by distance. The internet has brought everyone and everything closer together, revealing the ugly underbelly of humanity that has always been present.

Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 6:44 am to
quote:

When did we stop valuing people with moral character? It’s fricking depressing.


What the lefties are going to say: We still produce them, they just aren't your morals. Plenty of people making sure that they minimize their carbon footprint, don't misgender anyone, and so on.

What I'm going to say: the morals you speak of are Judeo-Christian morals. Do you go to a faithful conservative church regularly? If not, you've cut the foundation out from what you seek to preserve.

Oh, and I'm 50 and am very much like your dad.
This post was edited on 9/21/19 at 6:45 am
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
6848 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 6:44 am to
quote:

My dad is the epitome of a man who had no gray area. There’s right ... and there’s wrong. And you always do what’s right no matter how difficult it may be.


You are a manager at a company that just laid off a lot of people. You get a call from a manager at another company asking about a great worker with a loving wife and kids. You know this great man has had trouble paying bills since he was laid off. Everything about him is good except he occasionally came in late. The other manager asks you, "Is there anything about this worker that I wouldn't like?" Do you tell the truth knowing that you will be costing this exceptional man with one minor flaw a job that will provide for his family?

What about Robin Hood? If you live under an oppressive regime that is starving its own people, is it OK to steal from the elite to provide for the poor? Or do you let innocent people starve because stealing is wrong?

There is always a grey area.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21965 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 7:24 am to
quote:

My dad is the epitome of a man who had no gray area. There’s right ... and there’s wrong. And you always do what’s right no matter how difficult it may be.


Nazi's are asking if you are hiding any Jews, do you lie or tell the truth?

You might say that's easy, you lie. That's obviously the right choice. You've just chosen "the ends justify the means" and have opened a whole can of worms. Or, conversely, you've just sent people to their death because you refused to lie.

quote:

We continue to vote in crooks and moral reprobates to govern us. Idiots and scumbags that are celebrated.


They've got the sheep pegged. I think our understanding of human psychology has allowed it easy to somewhat control the average person.

For a political advertisement, they're going to use the right words (determined by polling, example: say cost, not tax) certain music will be played to help invoke the feeling they want, the candidates clothing is chosen to target certain demographics.

It's all a show, but its effective for most voters.

Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112803 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 7:29 am to
I'm sure you're familiar with jury demographics. Lawyers can determine what kind of juror they want in the selection process.
If you're a defense attorney and your client is guilty of murder but you're going to try and get him off you do not want older white guys on the jury.
It's because that demographic has a very strict sense of right v. wrong with no shades of gray. If your strategy is to obscure the truth you scratch those candidates.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31652 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 7:47 am to
Whatever Became of Sin (actual 1973 book title by Dr Karl Menninger) (and shame)?

Legitimate and important questions in a post-modern world of moral relativism.

Dispersed, only digitally connected "communities" make it more difficult to create a sense of moral and ethical commitment and accountability to one another.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 7:55 am to
quote:

My dad is the epitome of a man who had no gray area. There’s right ... and there’s wrong. And you always do what’s right no matter how difficult it may be


My Dad was the same. It was only as I gre older that I deeply appreciated that. I am so glad that I had the opportunity to thank him and tell him that I was proud to be his son before he passed away.

The trends in society sadden and frighten me for younger generations. They will reap what they sow.

Now get off my lawn. ??
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58567 posts
Posted on 9/21/19 at 8:19 am to
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