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re: Trump administration readies ban on flavored e-cigarettes
Posted on 9/12/19 at 7:23 am to fallguy_1978
Posted on 9/12/19 at 7:23 am to fallguy_1978
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We all love banning things we don't like until the tables are turned.
Pretty much goes for everything political.
We love when our party rules with an iron fist and pushes policy through. We screech in anger when the other party does the same.
Limit the power of the executive office and administration so no unilateral policy can be enacted.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 7:25 am
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Posted on 9/12/19 at 7:54 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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The Food and Drug Administration is currently finalizing its guidance to remove all non-tobacco flavors of e-cigarettes, including mint and menthol, from the market within 30 days.
By their reasoning shouldn't they do the same for regular tobacco (menthol cigs, swisher sweets, wintergreen dip etc)?
I think it's BS to ban vaping. If people are aware of the risk and still choose to engage in the behavior and it doesn't hurt anyone but themselves, why does it matter? Let them kill themselves. We don't need people who choose to vape to live longer anyway
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:29 am to RJL2
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I think it's BS to ban vaping.
They didn’t ban vaping
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:32 am to Korkstand
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This will result in MORE DUMB people getting sick!
FIFY
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:34 am to boogedy
quote:Sorry, we thought this was America.
Yall dumbasses who are in favor of a non ban are a joke.
quote:Difference is flavored e-cigs have not been found harmful to anything other than big tobacco's bottom line. If this was really about protecting people (the children!), then the FDA would first have to educate itself on what is really harmful (hint: it's the black market thc carts), then consider bans and educate the people. Regulate, don't ban. Also, where the frick are the parents, and why do we expect government to do the parenting?
There are many things (food products, additives, etc) throughout the years that have been banned due to being found harmful. It is a role of government.
quote:Why is "can I protect myself with it" the test? I can protect myself and my property with land mines around the yard, but I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to do that.
Comparing it to a gun (you can't protect yourself with an ecig) is outright ignorant and lacks critical thinking
There are no hard and fast rules that determine what gets banned, but in a free country we should always lean toward not banning something until it is well-proven that a ban is a net-positive. Aside from that, regulate.
quote:The critical factor is what they knowingly do.
I also bet you are all the same people who would be in favor of litigation agsinst these companies for causing lung disease.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:35 am to Korkstand
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Korkstand
Maybe vaping can cure your booger and eye problem.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:38 am to Janky
quote:It's worth a shot at this point.
Maybe vaping can cure your booger and eye problem.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:40 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Something needs to be done to crack down on kids using these things, but outright banning them is so incredibly shortsighted. Seems like once a month a kid at one of our schools is busted with a Juul. Bunch of my daughter's friends just got in trouble for posting a TikTok(whatever the hell that is) with them holding Juuls.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:41 am to The Spleen
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Something needs to be done to crack down on kids using these things, but outright banning them is so incredibly shortsighted. Seems like once a month a kid at one of our schools is busted with a Juul. Bunch of my daughter's friends just got in trouble for posting a TikTok(whatever the hell that is) with them holding Juuls.
They’ll still be using them
Because JUULs aren’t being banned
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:41 am to The Spleen
quote:
Something needs to be done to crack down on kids using these things
We can give them cigarettes
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:50 am to I Bleed Garnet
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They didn’t ban vaping
You're right, let me rephrase. I think its BS to ban behaviors that only affect the individual engaging in them. I also think if you choose to engage in these behaviors your health insurance should cost more, but that's another argument entirely.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:12 am to The Spleen
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Something needs to be done to crack down on kids using these things, but outright banning them is so incredibly shortsighted. Seems like once a month a kid at one of our schools is busted with a Juul. Bunch of my daughter's friends just got in trouble for posting a TikTok(whatever the hell that is) with them holding Juuls.
Kids will be kids. We don’t need big brother to step in and save us each time.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:23 am to RJL2
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You're right, let me rephrase. I think its BS to ban behaviors that only affect the individual engaging in them. I also think if you choose to engage in these behaviors your health insurance should cost more, but that's another argument entirely.
I really don’t think this has anything to do with health
Big tobacco companies are mad a competitor has come in and taken from their market share
People are reaching for Mango/berry/mint Juuls not Marlboro lights
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:24 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
How is he justifying taking menthol off of the market? A lot of people vape to keep from smoking.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:37 am to eddieray
If anything the nation wide attention vaping is receiving right now will open the eyes of parents, and really anyone who currently vapes thinking it's safe.
I don't necessarily agree with banning flavors, but we need to stigmatize vaping much like smoking was. Kids inhale this stuff thinking it's completely safe.
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Kids will be kids. We don’t need big brother to step in and save us each time.
I don't necessarily agree with banning flavors, but we need to stigmatize vaping much like smoking was. Kids inhale this stuff thinking it's completely safe.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 9:40 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:42 am to Eighteen
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Ding ding ding Hint, it’s tobacco lobby. They are pissed at losing the last bit of market they have. Ever wonder why Juul isn’t called e-Camel or e-Marborlo? Tobacco companies missed the boat on vaping and they aren’t happy
Eh, not really. MO (Altria) owns 35% of Juul. Same way that beer conglomerates and tobacco companies own a hefty share of the market on legal marijuana.
Companies just buy out the competition these days and get paid to do so.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 9:52 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:44 am to Ssubba
quote:Good, parents need to parent, not rely on government to pad all the walls.
If anything the nation wide attention vaping is receiving right now will open the eyes of parents
quote:I don't think anyone who vapes thinks it's the most healthy thing to do, but the people going to the hospital and/or dying are vaping black market thc cartridges containing vitamin E. This proposed ban will only push more people to black market stuff if they can't get what they want legally.
and really anyone who currently vapes thinking it's safe
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:45 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
Vapers, smokers, potheads all one in the same
You’re fricking dumb
I’m shocked you know how to post a gif
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:50 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:what about the outbreak of murder that killed 7 on labor day in Chicago?
outbreak of a mysterious lung disease that has sickened hundreds and killed at least six people,
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:59 am to BottomlandBrew
No laws with White Claws. Apples to oranges here.
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