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TOPS Needs To Go
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:33 pm
Anybody who wonders why the education department is in a constant pickle needs to look at the TOPS plan. TOPS is costing the state untold millions and is a huge hindrance to the advancement of the university. If we want to get on an even playing field with the rest of the country academically and monetarily, TOPS needs to be eliminated.
Many of you know that the system is broken but will downvote because it works to your advantage. If you wonder why LSU is always broke and lagging behind, TOPS is the answer
Many of you know that the system is broken but will downvote because it works to your advantage. If you wonder why LSU is always broke and lagging behind, TOPS is the answer
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 6:57 am
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:34 pm to MC5601
I agree. TOPS should definitely be canceled in 4 years.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:34 pm to MC5601
Says the guy who doesn’t have any kids who are going to college in Louisiana.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:37 pm to MC5601
NO. But it needs to go back to what it was supposed to be when established. An awards system to keep our best and brightest here in LA.
The problem with TOPS is that the politicians can’t fricking stand that they can’t control it and use it as a tool to get votes. TOPS was NEVER intended to be “needs” based or aimed at persons of a certain color or community. It also wasn’t meant for everyone. It is meant for very bright kids who work hard and get good grades. Regardless of their background, parents income or anything else.
The problem with TOPS is that the politicians can’t fricking stand that they can’t control it and use it as a tool to get votes. TOPS was NEVER intended to be “needs” based or aimed at persons of a certain color or community. It also wasn’t meant for everyone. It is meant for very bright kids who work hard and get good grades. Regardless of their background, parents income or anything else.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:37 pm to MC5601
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If we want to get on an even playing field with the rest of the country academically and monetarily, TOPS needs to be eliminated.
how do eliminating scholarships even the playing field with the rest of the country?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:39 pm to MC5601
I don’t know if it needs to go away all together but the requirements to get it need to be adjusted
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:40 pm to MC5601
Louisiana is the minor league team for a bunch of bigger states, Texas, Georgia, New York, and DC included. We pay for their education and then the best and brightest hit the road, never to return to Louisiana, and the entire investment is lost.
I don't blame people for leaving Louisiana. It's a complete shithole. I blame the state for creating a system that educates the workforce of every other state but Louisiana.
I don't blame people for leaving Louisiana. It's a complete shithole. I blame the state for creating a system that educates the workforce of every other state but Louisiana.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:41 pm to MC5601
Agree. I have kids and don't expect tax payers to pay for their education. There is no reason we should have this many colleges in Louisiana anyway.
At a minimum it should be a loan of some kind forgiven upon completion of school.
At a minimum it should be a loan of some kind forgiven upon completion of school.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:42 pm to MC5601
TOPS would be a great program if Louisiana was not such a terrible state to land a high paying job that's tailored to their degrees.
TOPS is a shitty program for Louisiana as long as the state is where it is right now.
TOPS is a shitty program for Louisiana as long as the state is where it is right now.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:44 pm to MC5601
It can't just be ended, because the state's entire education system has been adapted to it. Scholarships to state schools are very slim now, because of TOPS.
It would have to be phased out, or ended at a future date.
It would have to be phased out, or ended at a future date.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:45 pm to MC5601
TOPS should require folks to stay in the state for 2 years and if you don't graduate, it turns in loaned money which you have to pay back.
The excuse is used that you can't find a high paying job. You can with the right degree and tough shite - you just got free college. 2 years of a "lower" paying job is a small price to pay for free college.
The excuse is used that you can't find a high paying job. You can with the right degree and tough shite - you just got free college. 2 years of a "lower" paying job is a small price to pay for free college.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:46 pm to MC5601
TOPS is one of the few things Louisiana can actually brag about, and in typical Louisiana fashion half the people hate it.
If I was governor I’d make TOPS even stronger BUT add a condition you have to live/work in-state for 3-5 year or you have to pay a portion back.
So basically make it a loan you can defer and ultimately forgive if you stay in Louisiana and don’t drive your UHaul to Texas immediately upon graduation.
If I was governor I’d make TOPS even stronger BUT add a condition you have to live/work in-state for 3-5 year or you have to pay a portion back.
So basically make it a loan you can defer and ultimately forgive if you stay in Louisiana and don’t drive your UHaul to Texas immediately upon graduation.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:47 pm to MC5601
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TOPS Needs To Go
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:59 pm to MC5601
It needs to work as a loan program with stipulations based on completion of degree requirements. And requirements to get it need to go up. I know. Racist.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:01 pm to MC5601
TOPS was a money routing shell game. prior to tops, the state gave millions to the state colleges. after tops, the state greatly reduced the amount of money they gave, and the colleges raised tuition, which tops covered.
end the end i bet what the state gave universities prior to tops, is now about the same when you factor in tops. But now you have a "sacred cow" that will piss off voters if you take away their kids promise of "free" tuition.
end the end i bet what the state gave universities prior to tops, is now about the same when you factor in tops. But now you have a "sacred cow" that will piss off voters if you take away their kids promise of "free" tuition.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:07 pm to MC5601
TOPS needs to be a loan that's forgiven upon completion of a degree. I've seen so many morons get it, screw around and either lose it or dropout altogether.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:08 pm to MC5601
No TOPS is a fantastic program if executed correctly.
We just need to shut down about 5 colleges in this state and require all students that use TOPS to remain in Louisiana for 4 years post grad or they have to pay it back.
We just need to shut down about 5 colleges in this state and require all students that use TOPS to remain in Louisiana for 4 years post grad or they have to pay it back.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:09 pm to MC5601
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TOPS Needs To Go
I take a different angle.
If LSU is going to give AF about educating students, they need to dramatically increase the admission standards.
Most TOPS qualifiers don't need to go to LSU.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:29 pm to MC5601
It needs to be tweaked IMO.
1) Payback student loans for students after they graduate (instead of as they attend)
2) pay for each year they remain domiciled in Louisiana (makes sure they stay here)
3) only subsidize up to 4 years of education,
2) students must have at least a 3.2 GPA to qualify.
1) Payback student loans for students after they graduate (instead of as they attend)
2) pay for each year they remain domiciled in Louisiana (makes sure they stay here)
3) only subsidize up to 4 years of education,
2) students must have at least a 3.2 GPA to qualify.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:42 pm to MC5601
If you cut TOPS, I guarantee that any money saved will go straight to...
Healthcare.
That’s the Louisiana way.
Healthcare.
That’s the Louisiana way.
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