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re: Mike Thomas contract thread: UPDATED info from Yahoo!

Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:55 pm to
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11729 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:55 pm to
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Thomas and Ginn don't make top ten


Please elaborate what tandem's are in your top ten. I agree #1 is clear.
Posted by The Midnight Rider
Where the River Empties
Member since May 2015
1576 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:59 pm to
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Yea, lets overpay a receiver who will be slightly above average due to Teddy Two-Gloves throwing him the ball ROFL!


This is literally all the more reason to pay him. It's likely that we'll be mediocre to bad once Drew leaves. I hope T2G is good, but I'm not putting money on it.

If we are indeed mediocre-bad, we will need young stars to keep fans interested/invested - star WRs provide that interest, for kids especially.

On the other hand, I believe in paying Latt big money bc a stud corner is basically invaluable in today's NFL. Out of the MT/Kamara/Latt trio of young stars, Kamara is the one that should be of the least concern in paying. I know how good he is, how versatile he is, and how beloved he is. It still doesn't justify paying RB over a stud WR/CB combo.

That's just the NFL we live in now.

On the plus side, the rise of the Pelicans will likely coincide with a decline in the Saints, so that NOLA will continue to remain relevant in the sports world.
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 1:02 pm
Posted by Saintsntigers04
Member since Jun 2015
497 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 1:11 pm to
Browns
Minn
ATL
Houston
KC
Seattle
Eagles
Bengals
Rams
Patriots

Not particular order
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 1:11 pm
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11729 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 1:12 pm to
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It's likely that we'll be mediocre to bad once Drew leaves


Disagree, though I think we will be out of the legit contender talk.

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Out of the MT/Kamara/Latt trio of young stars, Kamara is the one that should be of the least concern in paying.


Unfortunately agree.
Posted by Saintsntigers04
Member since Jun 2015
497 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 1:14 pm to
Thomas would be the one I would leave out. I think kamara does more for this offense whether he's getting the ball or being used as a decoy. I really do love Michael Thomas and wish we could keep him but I have a hard time accepting that 20 mill a year price tag
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11729 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 1:20 pm to
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Houston


Hopkins and Fuller?

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KC


Hill and Watkins (unless you are including Kelce which changes the convo)?

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Seattle


I legit had to Google who was their WRs. :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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Patriots


Edelman then who? Old arse Thomas? :rotflmao:

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Eagles
Bengals


Meh can go either way, but I think MT13 is better than AJ Green. I think Boyd will be really good though.

Browns and Falcons are my #1 and 2 (assuming Ridley wasn't a one season wonder).
Posted by SnoopALoop
Nashville
Member since Apr 2014
4402 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 1:48 pm to
I'm surprised but not really surprised so many people are upset with him wanting to get paid. Do the haters not remember what we look like without Thomas being a factor in a game? It's truly hysterical laughing at the idea of paying him and convincing yourselves that he's all of a sudden not a top 3/top 5 WR in the league the last 2 seasons.

After Michael Thomas, we have nothing outside of Kamara/Murray. We're in deep trouble without him.
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
53629 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 2:05 pm to
you are a clown
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64495 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 2:09 pm to
"Fair" just doesn't enter into a lot of professional sport contracts.
Posted by FightingTigers138
In your thoughts
Member since Dec 2016
5746 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 2:11 pm to
Im over Mike Thomas.
Posted by The Midnight Rider
Where the River Empties
Member since May 2015
1576 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 2:57 pm to
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Thomas would be the one I would leave out. I think kamara does more for this offense whether he's getting the ball or being used as a decoy. I really do love Michael Thomas and wish we could keep him but I have a hard time accepting that 20 mill a year price tag

Say it with me now: Stud-WRs-are-worth-more-than-RBs-in-2019-NFL.

It’s just the truth, my guy. RBs are borderline dime-a-dozen w/ the way the league is going. Their short term viability doesn’t justify that pay day the way stud WRs and CBs do. On that same note, I believe this team and coaching staff has made Kamara, not the other way around. He could learn a lot from Jimmy if he wants to wonder what life beyond the Saints could look like.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34518 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 3:01 pm to
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RBs are borderline dime-a-dozen w/ the way the league is going.





This overused cliche gets thrown out there every single time a thread like this gets started, but IMO, you couldn’t be further from the truth.. if Kamara OR Thomas leave, the production from their replacements will be significantly less (unless we get an all pro FA) than their predecessors....

AK and MT (I know he’s not a RB, but still...) are special talents, so please stop with that regurgitated ‘RBs are a dime a dozen’ cliche




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I know how good he is, how versatile he is, and how beloved he is. It still doesn't justify paying RB over a stud WR/CB combo.


And fwiw, just so you know I’m not trying to dog you out or anything, I agree with your sentiment here... I just don’t agree with the opinion that AK will be easily replaced
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted by The Midnight Rider
Where the River Empties
Member since May 2015
1576 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 3:10 pm to
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if Kamara OR Thomas leave, the production from their replacements will be significantly less (unless we get an all pro FA) than their predecessors....

Kamara is the best version of an ideal RB for Payton’s Saints.

However, let me ask you this: Did you think we could improve upon Reggie? Did you think we could have more production out of that position/need for our team than Sproles gave us? You all panic, and Sean Payton finds another gem that he can elevate.

Who’s to say Mixon wouldn’t be doing the same thing in our O right now? Or Tarik Cohen? Hell, I’d love to see what Payton could do with Aaron Jones.

If we hadn’t drafted him, Kamara would be a run of the mill RB somewhere else that’s likely being improperly utilized. He’s replaceable. Maybe not immediately, but replaceable all the same.

A WR is more important in today’s NFL, and thus, MT needs to be paid more than Kamara
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30139 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 3:34 pm to
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Seattle
Bengals
Patriots


Seattle? They just lost baldwin, you gonna say dk Metcalf is better? Lol

New england? They just lost gronk, everyone else is meh.

Cincy? Wash, Boyd looks good but greens injury should be a concern now. Missed 13 games in 3 years. Even full 16 and he looked far from elite in '17
Posted by purplepylon
NOLA & Laffy
Member since Nov 2005
7806 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 3:51 pm to
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Im over Mike Thomas.



Let us all rewind back to when we are all upset at Drew Brees for holding out
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
19856 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 4:11 pm to
Paying a receiver that kind of money isn’t a recipe for success
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16469 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 4:21 pm to
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Quite frankly I think Brees, Thomas, and Kamara should be limited in training camp and the preseason


Agreed. The only thing Brees & AK should be working on is timing with the new pieces on the O-line.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
71804 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 4:26 pm to
Neither is Trequan, Ginn, and Meredith as your top WRs.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16469 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 4:33 pm to
It is possible that a lot of those guys could flourish in this offense, but the known commodity is always worth more than the unknown. I also agree that RBs are not as valuable in today's NFL than WRs; however, AK is more than a RB due to his versatility. He finished with 700 yards (49th in NFL) and 81 receptions (19th in NFL). He had more receptions that almost half of other team's #1 guy; while MT was leading the league.

The true value of AK to this offense will be seen as these young WRs continue to develop and the addition to Cook. If he repeats last year's output, I think the team has to bite the bullet and give AK his big payday. If there is a substantial drop off (which I'm about 50% certain there will be), then I think he would be replaceable like you're saying.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30139 posts
Posted on 7/25/19 at 4:34 pm to
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Who’s to say Mixon wouldn’t be doing the same thing in our O right now? Or Tarik Cohen? Hell, I’d love to see what Payton could do with Aaron Jones.


Mixon will also get paid.

Cohen might be one of the best receiving backs in the league, but he's more sproles. I wouldn't trust him getting hit or running it that much.

Aaron Jones is more Ingram than Kamara.

Most of the time I agree about rbs, but Kamara is a different kind of rb. Just like shady was and now you see it with Kamara, Barkley, and McCaffrey. These guys are just special.
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