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Posted on 7/11/19 at 10:43 pm to Jax-Tiger
Sad it's even a question
Posted on 7/11/19 at 10:46 pm to Jax-Tiger
NO
It is ludicrous that state are counting illegals for congressional seats.
It is ludicrous that state are counting illegals for congressional seats.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 10:49 pm to Jax-Tiger
No. I guess that makes me a "racist."
Posted on 7/11/19 at 10:49 pm to Jax-Tiger
frick no.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 10:51 pm to Jax-Tiger
What an insane question!! Absolutely NO! Why would you even ask that question?
Posted on 7/11/19 at 10:55 pm to Jax-Tiger
quote:Ideologically? No.
Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
Constitutionally? Yes, unfortunately. It is not remotely a close call. We are required to count “persons,” not only “citizens” ... and to apportion accordingly.
Sometimes we must simply accept that the Constitution just does not SAY that which we WISH it said. This is the reason Article V was written.
This post was edited on 7/11/19 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 7/11/19 at 10:57 pm to Jax-Tiger
frick no. If you aren't a US citizen, you shouldn't be represented in the US government. The fact this is even a question is beyond the realm of stupidity and shows how far down the shitter half of our country is.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 10:58 pm to Muleriderhog
frick no.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 10:59 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Constitutionally? Yes, unfortunately. It is not remotely a close call
This is bullshite and you know it. The US constitution strictly applies to US citizens you fricking idiot.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 10:59 pm to Jax-Tiger
Based on those numbers, Trump would have gained +14 electoral votes. So....if we stopped using illegal aliens, the GOP basically wins New Jersey off the bat. 
Posted on 7/11/19 at 11:04 pm to Muleriderhog
quote:Whatever course taught you this nonsense, I suggest that you retake it at a better school.quote:This is bullshite and you know it. The US constitution strictly applies to US citizens you fricking idiot.
Constitutionally? Yes, unfortunately. It is not remotely a close call
Posted on 7/11/19 at 11:07 pm to AggieHank86
Well, does it say citizens or persons? If it says citizens, then why has no one ever really come forth in suggesting this be looked at it in the past? And it would be irony to hear the CA folks saying they are so disenfranchised by the electoral college to actually see them lose the most power.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 11:07 pm to Jax-Tiger
It’s a more complicated question than most give it credit for, and here’s why.
The presence of illegals in a state means that that state’s resources are, to some extent, used by illegals.
The presence of illegals is the result of the federal government having failed to enforce its immigration laws.
A state hasn’t the authority to deport illegals.
Doesn’t that state have the right to say to the feds?, “If you won’t get rid of them, and they’re using our resources, we’re counting them for purposes of representation.”
ETA: What I’ve explained is a somewhat hypothetical situation. The two biggest states in terms of this are California and Texas, who are mirror images of each other in a way:
- California wouldn’t take the stance I mention above because it dares the feds to deport, which blue California doesn’t want.
- Texas wouldn’t take this stance because counting illegals legitimizes their presence here, which red Texas doesn’t want.
But imagine if New Hampshire were in this position. I guarantee they’d push to count their illegals if it gave them another seat in the house.
The presence of illegals in a state means that that state’s resources are, to some extent, used by illegals.
The presence of illegals is the result of the federal government having failed to enforce its immigration laws.
A state hasn’t the authority to deport illegals.
Doesn’t that state have the right to say to the feds?, “If you won’t get rid of them, and they’re using our resources, we’re counting them for purposes of representation.”
ETA: What I’ve explained is a somewhat hypothetical situation. The two biggest states in terms of this are California and Texas, who are mirror images of each other in a way:
- California wouldn’t take the stance I mention above because it dares the feds to deport, which blue California doesn’t want.
- Texas wouldn’t take this stance because counting illegals legitimizes their presence here, which red Texas doesn’t want.
But imagine if New Hampshire were in this position. I guarantee they’d push to count their illegals if it gave them another seat in the house.
This post was edited on 7/11/19 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 7/11/19 at 11:08 pm to Muleriderhog
quote:
This is bullshite and you know it. The US constitution strictly applies to US citizens you fricking idiot.
(Quick google....first result is from penn state law..)
Yes, immigrants are protected by the U.S. Constitution. The brief answer is “Yes.” When it comes to key constitutional provisions like due process and equal treatment under the law, the U.S. Constitution applies to all persons – which includes both documented and undocumented immigrants – and not just U.S. citizens.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 11:09 pm to rpg37
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Well, does it say citizens or persons? If it says citizens, then why has no one ever really come forth in suggesting this be looked at it in the past? And it would be irony to hear the CA folks saying they are so disenfranchised by the electoral college to actually see them lose the most power.
It does not say citizens. It says persons.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 11:10 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:
undocumented immigrants
Illegal aliens
Posted on 7/11/19 at 11:11 pm to roadGator
Posted on 7/11/19 at 11:14 pm to Jax-Tiger
Absolutely not
Posted on 7/11/19 at 11:14 pm to xiv
quote:
Doesn’t that state have the right to say to the feds?, “If you won’t get rid of them, and they’re using our resources, we’re counting them for purposes of representation.”
What about the states like CA that enact sanctuary laws and twart the Fed from being able to find and deport said illegals?
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