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re: Joe Brady on how to help pass protection
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:23 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:23 pm to Topwater Trout
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We did not have an offense capable of that last year.
of a screen play? Jesus fricking Christ. Everyone responsible for the offense from the head coach down should be fired then.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:24 pm to Topwater Trout
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you think wide open spread offenses are able to be put in overnight?
O hired E in January 2018, I'd assume he could install the spread offense he and O wanted in the 8 months before the season started.
Also, a simple screen pass isn't a novel concept reserved for a spread offense.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:24 pm to Topwater Trout
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We did not have an offense capable of that last year. So you think we should have just started running an offense we didn't have when our line was getting killed in the bama game?
Are you trying to say that LSU’s offense didn’t include WR or HB screens?
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:29 pm to Topwater Trout
I am Not saying it’s never the answer I am Saying the saints don’t use it because they can’t block
They use is because they can block long enough for a WR to get open deep.
If you can’t block giving your QB no options isn’t going to work. And doing it a lot isn’t going to work.
The Saints never go 2 wide for large stretches of game.
They use is because they can block long enough for a WR to get open deep.
If you can’t block giving your QB no options isn’t going to work. And doing it a lot isn’t going to work.
The Saints never go 2 wide for large stretches of game.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:34 pm to Topwater Trout
What you said.
What you meant.
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We did not have an offense capable of that last year.
What you meant.
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We did not have an offensive staff capable of knowing when to properly utilize this last year.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:35 pm to RB10
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Are you trying to say that LSU’s offense didn’t include WR or HB screens?
I'm not sure that would have made a difference, but to beat Bama you have to attack them offensively. Go uptempo, quick pass and then go over the top.
One of the smartest things I heard Herbstreit say last year before the CFP is if you play Bama conservatively you've lost already. That's exactly what we did last year and in 2016. Hopefully SE and O have learned that lesson and Brady can add a more explosive dimension.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:39 pm to J2thaROC
quote:They tried a couple in the Miami game that just looked awful on Burrow's part. I think they scrapped it until he got more practice.
of a screen play? Jesus fricking Christ. Everyone responsible for the offense from the head coach down should be fired then.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:45 pm to The Pirate King
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Still can’t even give O credit even when he hires someone good (apparently)
How about having Mr. Ed actually accomplish something like winning the SEC before he gets some credit. He has done nothing thus far to deserve accolades in my opinion.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:47 pm to mmcgrath
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They tried a couple in the Miami game that just looked awful on Burrow's part. I think they scrapped it until he got more practice.
Yet we never really went back to it after Burrow gained his confidence.
That final drive at the end of regulation play against A&M. The drive we went 3 and out on and all we needed was 1 first down to win the game. That would have been a great time to run a play like this. It takes the “interception” factor away (for the most part), and it leaves your “running back” (because that’s basically what the receiver becomes in a screen play) with a far more open field than just running them into the defensive line.
Hell, Ole Miss beat Bama twice with screen plays.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:49 pm to BayouCowboy
From Cody Worsham interview with Brady posted today:
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Speed in Space
“You’re going to see an up-tempo offense that’s going to get our speed in space,” Brady said.
The goal of the new offense, which will feature an expansion of run-pass option (RPOs) calls and a no-huddle, quick-tempo style, is to make the other defense defend all 11 Tigers.
“If we can get our speed in space and allow our guys to win their one-on-ones, the rest is going to take care of itself,” Brady said. “We believe that we have the athletes in our building that, if we get them in a one-on-one situation, they’re going to make us look good and they’re going to make themselves look good. The more opportunities we get can people in one-on-one matchups, the better.”
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Everybody Eats
“We don’t ever speak on our guys individually,” Brady said. “I love how Justin’s working. But as a group, these guys work each other. We’re understanding this offense. Everybody’s going to have their opportunities. We say everyone’s going to eat.”
Not just the receivers, either. Ideally, Brady would like to see the passing game use the running backs and tight ends even more.
“As an offense we want to get the running backs out in routes,” Brady said. “Running backs, at the end of the day, they’re here to run the ball and catch passes. They’re not signed to play at LSU because they’re dynamic blockers
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Be Versatile
At receiver, LSU is no longer teaching players how to play specific positions. Terminology like X, Y, Z, and F are all still in the lingo, but Brady’s preference is to be able to move every skill player around, depending on the matchup and defensive formation.
“We don’t want any of our guys learning a position,” he said. “They’re learning concepts. We can move everybody around the field.”
Brady believes that defenses who know where certain players are going to line up can dictate and take away aspects of an offense. His preference is to do the dictating.
“We have the ability to move a guy from the boundary to the slot, from the slot to the field. So at the end of the day, his job doesn’t change. He just knows the scheme.
“If we can move guys around, if we can get guys into positions that they want to get into to attack the people in the coverages in areas, now we’re at the advantage.”
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Apply Pressure
A big part of Brady’s philosophy is to attack pressure. It ties in with making the defense defend with all 11 players. When the blitz comes, Brady believes it’s best to go right at it.
“Statistically it shows that when you’re in five-man protection, five-man protections give up less sacks,” he said. “A lot of people think when you get a lot of pressure you need to bring the box in and bring in max protections, seven-man protections. But I think when you actually go five-man protection, you actually get the ball out faster. You limit what defenses can do.”
The screen game is an area he sees as ripe for improvement. LSU had an NFL quarterback rating of just 81.9 on halfback screens last season, 17.9 points below the NCAA average of 99.8, according to data from Pro Football Focus.
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Our Offense
Brady’s biggest point of emphasis was the collaborative nature of the offense. It starts and ends with Ensminger, but Brady feels empowered by Ensminger and Orgeron to have a big say in the offense.
“There’s one thing about Steve Ensminger: he loves LSU,” Brady said. “He’s humble. He makes the final decision, but he’ll listen to everybody’s thoughts. All he wants is for LSU to have success. When you work for a guy who doesn’t feel like my way is the only way, you enjoy working with that, you enjoy that interaction every day.”
“It’s my job to have ideas, especially in the passing game,” he said. “I’m seeing a certain coverage, I’m seeing a certain look in the run game, throw some advice at Steve. But at the end of the day, Steve’s obviously the one calling the games, and every coach should be ready for that. Steve wants that give and take. He trusts us.”
LINK
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:53 pm to tigerskin
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When so many here said that last year they were deemed “idiots.
Revisionist much?
Most posters "wanted" to go to the spread. The issue was our o-line. What happens when the end that your QB is reading isn't the only guy blowing up a play?
Yes, imho, our o-line was in that bad of a situation.
Stating that most people were calling you an idiot because you wanted to go to the spread is off base. Maybe a handful did, but I don't believe that was the case for most of them. My take is that those that didn't want to go to the spread mid-season realized all of the factors involved that would have made it extremely difficult to pull off. I still think it is ironic that 10-3, with all of our o-line issues, is viewed as a failure. With a healty o-line, I'm bullish on our Tigers.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:55 pm to SammyTiger
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I am Saying the saints don’t use it because they can’t block
Well you are wrong. The saints had to do it in a home game last year because Brees was getting killed.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:58 pm to J2thaROC
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We did not have an offensive staff capable of knowing when to properly utilize this last year.
I am not saying you are wrong. What I am saying is if you don't run that offense you don't all of a sudden start running it in your 8th game of the season. If you can't what do you do? allow your qb to get hurt in a game you aren't going to win?
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:00 pm to Topwater Trout
Please share the game
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:16 pm to Topwater Trout
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Well you are wrong. The saints had to do it in a home game last year because Brees was getting killed.
Didn’t someone post the actual stats on how often they use it?
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:18 pm to Topwater Trout
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I am not saying you are wrong. What I am saying is if you don't run that offense you don't all of a sudden start running it in your 8th game of the season. If you can't what do you do? allow your qb to get hurt in a game you aren't going to win?
Nobody was expecting to go spread offense last year. But play action when the QB is 7 yards deep in the opponents end zone is just unacceptable.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:22 pm to SammyTiger
I don't remember. I think it was Dallas but that was a road game.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:24 pm to J2thaROC
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But play action when the QB is 7 yards deep in the opponents end zone is just unacceptable.
Some of the play calls sucked. Not debating that at all.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:36 pm to SammyTiger
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Joe Brady on how to help pass protection
Honestly, it's sad that this even has to be said in 2019.
I'm sure Coach E is a decent guy but you have to be living under a fricking rock and have not watched football in 20 years to STILL think "max protect" is the answer when your OL is getting whipped.
Adding protectors makes coverage easier so, your initial lineman STILL gets whipped and, now, it takes LONGER for someone to be fricking open.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:50 pm to Topwater Trout
How did the Dallas game go? 10 points?
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