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re: ESPN LA's Bobby Marks: AD not going to waive his trade kicker
Posted on 6/17/19 at 10:56 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 6/17/19 at 10:56 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
if it stood between the lakers and kawhi, the trade would become a three team trade and the lakers would then simply send something on top of the 4th pick to the third team
But wouldn't the pelicans have to agree to bring in that third team?
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 10:57 pm to WestCoastAg
One thing people don't discuss is that the Pelicans would lose about $5 million in cap space if the deal is pushed back, so it's not just a case of "will they be nice?"
Posted on 6/17/19 at 10:59 pm to JohnnyKilroy
The lakers own the 4th pick. If yall trade it, we would be the ones trading the pick to the third team. Not yall
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:01 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
The lakers own the 4th pick. If yall trade it, we would be the ones trading the pick to the third team. Not yall
I understand that, but is there precedent for assets that have been agreed to in a negotiation being replaced with other assets unilaterally?
What if the pelicans just say no, we're taking the 4th pick?
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:05 pm to JohnnyKilroy
I was under the assumption that we were simply talking about what would happen if a third team got involved. Either way, we would be sending something extra to yall cause we would need both you and the hypothetical third team to agree to wait
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:07 pm to WestCoastAg
Lakers don't need to wait. They got enough money for all they need already.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:15 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
What if the pelicans just say no, we're taking the 4th pick?
you realize the lake show physically have to make the #4 pick, right?
we are just picking who the pels tell us too unless they trade it
This post was edited on 6/17/19 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:22 pm to Mr Perfect
quote:
you realize the lake show physically have to make the #4 pick, right?
we are just picking who the pels tell us too unless they trade it
No shite.
What I'm asking is how the Lakers can unilaterally bring in a 3rd team to facilitate the deal when it's already agreed upon between just the lakers and pelicans. The pelicans could just say "You're picking X for us, and we're negotiating separately with a team to take him on the 6th once the trades are official" The pelicans would just make them two separate and distinct deals.
I think this is moot, because I doubt any team will want their top 4 pick held out of the summer league to facilitate a Lakers 3rd max unless they were heavily compensated. No team is gonna do that if the compensation is some bullshite like giving them a 2nd rounder or two.
This post was edited on 6/17/19 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:26 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:i never said the lakers would be the ones bringing the third team into the picture my guy. i literally said i was operating under the narrow focus of simply what it would take to make a third team agree to wait on the deal as well and that it would need to be the lakers to make it worth their while
What I'm asking is how the Lakers can unilaterally bring in a 3rd team to facilitate the deal when it's already agreed upon between just the lakers and pelicans.
quote:i personally feel like this is overstated. i think the lakers could swing something with a protected first pick down the road
I think this is moot, because I doubt any team will want their top 4 pick held out of the summer league
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:30 pm to WestCoastAg
we could also overnight that team in and out burgers if needed
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:33 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
i literally said i was operating under the narrow focus of simply what it would take to make a third team agree to wait on the deal as well and that it would need to be the lakers to make it worth their while
I think we're not on the same page here.
My question is: Can the pelicans straight up prevent any third team from entering the deal? Regardless of what compensation the Lakers offer the Pelicans or this new 3rd team, do the pelicans have the power to simply so "No"
You're saying what it would take for a third team to agree. I'm asking if it's even possible for a third team to enter the deal if the Pelicans don't want them to.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:36 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:i guess you could tell them to not to negotiate with the lakers at all and just simply accept the lakers trade of the drafted player on the 6th. but i dont see how you could actually do something to stop them from refusing the lakers offering them a sweeter if it meant they would agree to prolong the execution date, outside of simply dropping them from the trade altogether
You're saying what it would take for a third team to agree. I'm asking if it's even possible for a third team to enter the deal if the Pelicans don't want them to.
none of this matters if the lakers cant get yall to agree to prolong the date since all three teams would need to agree to make that happen
This post was edited on 6/17/19 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:54 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
none of this matters if the lakers cant get yall to agree to prolong the date since all three teams would need to agree to make that happen
Ok that's what I'm asking. Do the Pelicans ultimately have the power here IF this wasn't already negotiated in the original deal. Sounds like they do.
I am still not going to believe all this happens until it does. Just seems impossible this would be missed.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:59 pm to JohnnyKilroy
yes they do. since the lakers are trading them the pick and the lakers naturally want the deal to get done, yall have the final say over what ends up happening with that pick and anything the lakers talk about with the other team, it will only happen if yall actually also agree to push the date back
there are a couple scenarios where the lakers should have space to still pursue a max guy even if the deal is completed on the 6th but it would take some amending to the original deal (ie the lakers would be sending you some more players to make the salaries match, and then just simply trading you the 4th pick on the 30th for a super heavily protected 2nd rounder in 2nd different deal) but i dont know if yall would find that more preferable to the lakers simply adding next years 1st into the original deal and pushing the date back
there are a couple scenarios where the lakers should have space to still pursue a max guy even if the deal is completed on the 6th but it would take some amending to the original deal (ie the lakers would be sending you some more players to make the salaries match, and then just simply trading you the 4th pick on the 30th for a super heavily protected 2nd rounder in 2nd different deal) but i dont know if yall would find that more preferable to the lakers simply adding next years 1st into the original deal and pushing the date back
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:11 am to WestCoastAg
Per LA Times
quote:
Although the Pelicans are open to working with the Lakers and delaying the trade, it’s unlikely that will happen, according to multiple people familiar with their thinking. New Orleans’ priority will be to make the fourth pick as attractive as possible to another team in hopes of acquiring a veteran player. It’s likely that whatever team they trade the fourth pick to will want the player in their building as quickly as possible, and will want him to play at the Las Vegas Summer League, which will be held from July 5-15.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:14 am to WestCoastAg
Pels: "not waiting until 30th for you guys"
Rob: "we are leaving the deal then"
Pels: "ok we change our minds"
pels don't have leverage. trust that 100
Rob: "we are leaving the deal then"
Pels: "ok we change our minds"
pels don't have leverage. trust that 100
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:16 am to WestCoastAg
Actually we're all *maybe* wrong.
Doing some research on the CBA and what we're talking about, a "July 30th if we get a commitment, July 6th if we don't" is illegal under the CBA.
So either it's 100% going to be the 6th, 100% going to be the 30th (which seems highly unlikely, as it would have been reported)
OR
Griff and Pelinka agreed to this condition in complete secret and neither will ever say anything to clear it up because that would void the trade.
So looks like it's going to be the 6th.
Doing some research on the CBA and what we're talking about, a "July 30th if we get a commitment, July 6th if we don't" is illegal under the CBA.
So either it's 100% going to be the 6th, 100% going to be the 30th (which seems highly unlikely, as it would have been reported)
OR
Griff and Pelinka agreed to this condition in complete secret and neither will ever say anything to clear it up because that would void the trade.
So looks like it's going to be the 6th.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:17 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:where are you seeing this? i would love to read it because i learn something new about the CBA every time i get in a talk about it
Doing some research on the CBA and what we're talking about, a "July 30th if we get a commitment, July 6th if we don't" is illegal under the CBA.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:18 am to JohnnyKilroy
the conditional trade rule on the CBA has nothing to do with agreeing to wait for a trade until July 30th.
you need to do more research
you need to do more research
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:19 am to WestCoastAg
conditional trade rule only prevents the Pels from agreeing to trade the pick to another team because they cannot trade #4 pick until our trade with them, is official.
Kilroy is making up things
Kilroy is making up things
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