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re: Has Kia really come far in reliability over the years? *Telluride related*
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:16 pm to TDsngumbo
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:16 pm to TDsngumbo
Kia and Hyundai are basically the modern day version of Honda and Toyota.
Their vehicles have come a long way in the last 10 years (reliability and looks)
And the stigma seems to have disappeared.
IWDI
Their vehicles have come a long way in the last 10 years (reliability and looks)
And the stigma seems to have disappeared.
IWDI
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:28 pm to WoWyHi
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If they changed the logo, you'd never know it wasn't a high arse end SUV.
In Korea, they use a K badge instead of the Kia one they use here.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:29 pm to lsu xman
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So bumper to bumper is 5yr/60K miles.
Which is also tops among major automakers IIRC.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:31 pm to Evolved Simian
Googling some images of a rebadged telluride with the “telluride” letters taken off and the Korean Kia emblem added. Looks sharp.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:31 pm to member12
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They are way behind Toyota or Honda.
Toyota, sure, but not Honda.
Honda has been coasting along on reputation lately.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:32 pm to SDVTiger
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They stole all the top designers from Mercedes BMW etc to help so its much better then in the past
Things have come full circle, BMW is now ripping off Kia's design.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:32 pm to Gaston
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Quality is more important than reliability. Reliably poor performing cars are just that, reliably poor.
You're an idiot.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:32 pm to PrimeTime Money
I see a bunch of idiot replies about it being a "Kia". Well this was a Toyota Celica in the 70's
They came a long way since that time to overtake the prestigious American and German auto makers in reliability/consumer satisfaction.
They came a long way since that time to overtake the prestigious American and German auto makers in reliability/consumer satisfaction.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:33 pm to TDsngumbo
Their quality is much improved but their value still stinks. Do not buy a brand new Kia unless you're absolutely sure you're going to run it until the wheels fall off. I had a 2014 Forte that cost me $21k. After 4 years it was only worth about $8k. I was upside down on the loan through the whole thing and wound up paying the loan off later so I could trade it in.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:33 pm to member12
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Hyundai and Kia are the same thing.
As far as reliability, they are much better than MINI, Fiat, Dodge or Ford. They are about on par with Nissan, VW, Mazda, or Chevrolet. They are way behind Toyota or Honda.
Your results with vary. I’ve had family members with an atrociously bad Genesis. Some friends also had great look with a Kia Optima.
Your post is indicative of two things.
First, you are mainly dealing with anecdotal data points and long term perception. Consumer Reports provides the best data-driven information on reliability and dependability you can get outside the industry and they show a different picture than you paint with Kia and Hyundai. They score rather differently despite ownership. Long term perception is ingrained in people that loosely follow the industry but two companies pop out at me as being perception based. Honda (and Acura) have gone down significantly in recent years in terms of reliability and Mazda had jumped up significantly. Data shows Mazda has moved well ahead of Honda. However, perception lags significantly behind reality.
The other point you make is very salient, model (also model year) is extremely important when looking at reliability. While Toyota/Lexus has many models at the very top of reliability they also have models that are middling, normally due to one or more pattern issues. The problem here is given a 1st year of production the only thing one has to consider is the recent overall reliability of the brand.
One thing to note that helps keep Toyota/Lexus at the very top of the pyramid is their reluctance to embrace new technology. All that nifty tech in Ram trucks drags them down for example.
All that said if I had to bet I would guess the Telluride will be middle of the pack in reliability in its first year and will likely have at least one pattern issue that is either an inconvenience or stupefyingly maddening for the owners that have it.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:35 pm to 91TIGER
The question is, can Kia’s go 200k plus miles like a Toyota? If they can establish that reliability in the minds of consumers, resale value will rise, along with sales. They might be there already, but the general population doesn’t know it yet.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:35 pm to TDsngumbo
Bought my wife an OT Poormobile Kia Optima brand new in 2013. Paid it off in September last year. Bought her another one (2019) in October of last year.
The warranty made me feel better. The car note being under $300 did too. Her new Optima is pretty nice. Steering assist, power everything, panoramic roof, nav system, iOS Car Play, BT capable. Satellite Radio. Plus the note is actually less than what we paid in 2013.
I’ve been totally satisfied. Neither car has ever been in the shop for anything other than routine maintenance.
The warranty made me feel better. The car note being under $300 did too. Her new Optima is pretty nice. Steering assist, power everything, panoramic roof, nav system, iOS Car Play, BT capable. Satellite Radio. Plus the note is actually less than what we paid in 2013.
I’ve been totally satisfied. Neither car has ever been in the shop for anything other than routine maintenance.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:35 pm to Hulkklogan
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Their quality is much improved but their value still stinks. Do not buy a brand new Kia unless you're absolutely sure you're going to run it until the wheels fall off. I had a 2014 Forte that cost me $21k. After 4 years it was only worth about $8k. I was upside down on the loan through the whole thing and wound up paying the loan off later so I could trade it in.
That's not unique to Kia, but yeah, resale value isn't great because of the poor stigma that this thread shows still exist.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:36 pm to Gaston
quote:. Are you Brian Fantana? Because this makes about as much sense as “60% of the time it works every time”
Quality is more important than reliability. Reliably poor performing cars are just that, reliably poor.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:38 pm to TDsngumbo
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I really, really want to get a 2020 Kia Telluride for the wife
Pics of wife?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:41 pm to WoWyHi
I had the new optima sx when they first came out. I loved it and didn’t have a smidge of trouble. Just traded it in for an suv after having it about four years. The warranty is great as well. The Telluride is next on my list to purchase.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:41 pm to TDsngumbo
This definitely doesn’t look like the interior of a Kia from years past. They knocked the interior and exterior design out of the park. Hyundai’s version doesn’t look nearly as good on the exterior.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:43 pm to AUsteriskPride
An idiot who drives a 10 yr old manual 5 series with 150k on the clock...
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:44 pm to Ric Flair
We went from a 2016 Tahoe to the telluride. It's much better than the Tahoe, even before you lump in the fact that it was nearly 20k cheaper.
Sport mode is much more fun than a 3 row suv should be.
Sport mode is much more fun than a 3 row suv should be.
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