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The Historical Argument for Keeping AD
Posted on 5/19/19 at 8:11 am
Posted on 5/19/19 at 8:11 am
In the last 35 years, only two franchises have gotten the #1 pick a won a title with that guy.
And in both situations, they had another #1 pick who was taken years before and was in his prime, but some weird shite happened
Spurs - Robinson and Duncan
Cavs - LBJ and Kyrie
You need a lot of top tier talent and a lot of luck to win it all in this league. Pels situation, in some ways, mirror both of these historical precedents. Might be foolish to trade AD if the end goal is a ring. #1 picks don't seem to win it all with the team that drafted them otherwise. The last one before that who did was Hakeem, who was taken first in the pre-lotto era.
And in both situations, they had another #1 pick who was taken years before and was in his prime, but some weird shite happened
Spurs - Robinson and Duncan
Cavs - LBJ and Kyrie
You need a lot of top tier talent and a lot of luck to win it all in this league. Pels situation, in some ways, mirror both of these historical precedents. Might be foolish to trade AD if the end goal is a ring. #1 picks don't seem to win it all with the team that drafted them otherwise. The last one before that who did was Hakeem, who was taken first in the pre-lotto era.
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 8:18 am to Crewz
if AD signs the supermax, fine keep him, if not trade his arse
Posted on 5/19/19 at 8:28 am to Crewz
That’s a very narrow way of looking at things, just through the prism of a #1 pick. I understand the argument at its base, but it’s somewhat disingenuous.
The reality is that you need, in today’s NBA, either multiple elite players (regardless of where they were picked), or incredible luck in surrounding a transcendent player with the perfect mix of very good players at just the right time in all of their careers and contracts.
As much as I bitch about it, if AD wants to be here, it’s a no brainer. You have to try and keep him around, and have to trust Griffin to assemble the rest of the team. 2 superstars > 1 superstar. As much as I’ve tried to play devil’s advocate otherwise, this is a superstar league. If you have some, you’ll win, if you don’t you probably won’t, past 7 years not withstanding.
Regardless though, if he doesn’t want to be here, you have to maximize the return based around the ability to get at least one potential elite talent and then multiple pieces that are very good or complimentary. Trust your talent evaluators.
We may not have a choice regardless. We may have to attempt to surround Zion in a similar way to what the Bucks did.
The reality is that you need, in today’s NBA, either multiple elite players (regardless of where they were picked), or incredible luck in surrounding a transcendent player with the perfect mix of very good players at just the right time in all of their careers and contracts.
As much as I bitch about it, if AD wants to be here, it’s a no brainer. You have to try and keep him around, and have to trust Griffin to assemble the rest of the team. 2 superstars > 1 superstar. As much as I’ve tried to play devil’s advocate otherwise, this is a superstar league. If you have some, you’ll win, if you don’t you probably won’t, past 7 years not withstanding.
Regardless though, if he doesn’t want to be here, you have to maximize the return based around the ability to get at least one potential elite talent and then multiple pieces that are very good or complimentary. Trust your talent evaluators.
We may not have a choice regardless. We may have to attempt to surround Zion in a similar way to what the Bucks did.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 5/19/19 at 8:49 am to Crewz
If goal is to win championships, then you have to take calculated risks.
Keeping AD probably gives this franchise the best chance to win a championship. With that said, I think you have to keep him no matter what and continue to sell him and be confident that your vision will sell him over time, if in fact your goal is to give this franchise the best chance at winning a championship.
If the goal is to make sure you get great value for Davis then you trade him in June and this your low risk, play it safe move.
Keeping AD probably gives this franchise the best chance to win a championship. With that said, I think you have to keep him no matter what and continue to sell him and be confident that your vision will sell him over time, if in fact your goal is to give this franchise the best chance at winning a championship.
If the goal is to make sure you get great value for Davis then you trade him in June and this your low risk, play it safe move.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 10:16 am to Crewz
The argument is that AD is a top 5 NBA player. You dont trade those away unless you have to. IF you have to you try and get the best you can out of it. But what happens is people get tunnel vision of the trade and start to believe that the best possible trade scenario is the best possible scenario overall. Its not. Having a top 5 guy is. Why else would we have teams calling us and saying "pick what you want".
If you can get him resigned, fricking do it.
If you can get him resigned, fricking do it.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:08 pm to Crewz
Still need a good supporting cast, cant just be just two #1s and some scrubs
Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:36 pm to Crewz
Isn't 1984 35 years ago? That is when Olajuwon was drafted. If you go 40 years, there are 2 more guys in Magic and Worthy. This seems to disregard all the former 1st picks thay led their teams to the finals and that is a pretty good lost (Ewing, Shaq, Martin, Iverson, Howard..)..
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:48 pm to Crewz
This is all kinda assuming Zion destroys the league his rookie and sophomore year.I think trading him is better for everyone from the front office to the fans to the lockerroom to zion himself.
My main interest is if Griffin is posturing that we keep him and if so in response what does clutch do to
interfere and help AD land somewhere where the roster hasn't been completely gutted to acquire AD ala melo to the knicks.
The idea of having a passive aggressive lame duck season from AD and then Zion watching a superstar walk away from the franchise worries me.
My main interest is if Griffin is posturing that we keep him and if so in response what does clutch do to
interfere and help AD land somewhere where the roster hasn't been completely gutted to acquire AD ala melo to the knicks.
The idea of having a passive aggressive lame duck season from AD and then Zion watching a superstar walk away from the franchise worries me.
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