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re: Another reason to hate Alabama: they may cost the GOP the Senate and Presidency
Posted on 5/18/19 at 10:02 am to claremontrich
Posted on 5/18/19 at 10:02 am to claremontrich
quote:Perpetually "after the next election."
I kind of get your reasoning in this post, but at WHAT POINT do civilized human beings make a stand?
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Posted on 5/18/19 at 10:07 am to Sentrius
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As long as the GOP nominee is not Roy Moore, Doug Jones will be filling out applications for lobbying jobs on K street in 2021.
I doubt Doug Jones will get 30% of the vote.
No way this guy is getting reelected, and he knows it. Just look at his votes. Manchin in WVA is prime example of a Dem that wants to get reelected in a red state.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 10:11 am to Jake88
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Perpetually "after the next election."
What if there are people like me who agree with the Alabama law but are not sure if their views are "crazy" like the media is saying so they stay silent.
What if , WHAT IF, they see other people, LOTS of other people who also hold the sanctity of life dear (when they see the Alabama law passed) and this law shows them that caring for the unborn is not something to be ashamed of?
Posted on 5/18/19 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
It’s very disappointing to watch this issue dominate and divide the GOP. The division plays RIGHT into the hands of the democrats.
The focus should be on China, an issue that will unite Americans.
The focus should be on China, an issue that will unite Americans.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 10:26 am to claremontrich
I'm agreeing with you. My response was facetious.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 10:29 am to LSURep864
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So, if someone has a dad, who is a rapist. They should therefore be murdered because their dad is a rapist?
I don't know and wouldn't want a woman to be in that situation.
Would would-be parents adopt a baby who's father was a rapist?
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 11:07 am
Posted on 5/18/19 at 10:30 am to Jake88
I think the political middle is closer to pro-life than SFP and others are thinking
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:24 pm to cwill
The AL lawmakers openly admit this law is meant to make it up to the Supreme Court and challenge Roe.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:27 pm to LSU Patrick
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I figured that was the case, but I still find it hard to believe that one needs to believe in God to value human life at any stage of development.
this has literally nothing to do with my OP
if you want abortion illegal, then this law prohibits your goal over the long term
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:28 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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The AL lawmakers openly admit this law is meant to make it up to the Supreme Court and challenge Roe.
Without a doubt, but is that being reactionary to the NY law confirming state law to the current fed limits or because they believe the SCt is now in a position to take the case and possibly pull back the limits on abortion or overturn roe altogether? Your above quote indicates the latter.
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:29 pm to NIH
quote:I am not so sure.
I think the political middle is closer to pro-life than SFP and others are thinking
Here is a fun little anecdote.
My fiancé and I had a discussion about the AL law last night.
She basically stated that she thought that the law NY passed was a travesty and fully opposes it, but this law takes things too far as well.
She stated that she finds herself leaning more towards the Republicans on almost all issues, but she is unsure about them now.
And that is all from a person who actually did vote for Trump.
I would argue that most women, including the middle, support limitations, not almost total bans.
This move by the Alabama legislation will absolutely result in some lost republican support.
And, yes, I know that the reasoning behind the legislation is to challenge Roe vs Wade in the Supreme Court, but very few mainstream individuals follow politics to that depth.
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:29 pm to NIH
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I think the political middle is closer to pro-life than SFP and others are thinking
The middle is pro-choice but with greater limitations than are currently in place.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:30 pm to Tiguar
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Having "conservatives" running around like chicken little saying Alabama is extreme for banning baby murder is counter productive.
they didn't ban anything, though. you act like they did something other than stupid symbolism
this law is illegal and will be struck down. why are y'all speaking of it like it accomplished anything other than muh feelings?
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:32 pm to Seldom Seen
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But most people in the country are now pro-life.
No, they are not.
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:32 pm to claremontrich
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but at WHAT POINT do civilized human beings make a stand?
when you hold the USSC 6-3 or better
this may flip the USSC to the liberal side and lord help y'all on the abortion issue if that happens
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:32 pm to cwill
quote:100%
The middle is pro-choice but with greater limitations than are currently in place.
The gumps are going to screw everyone.
If you give them the option between zero abortions and late term, most will likely choose late term because it won’t outright ban them.
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:34 pm to NIH
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I think the political middle is closer to pro-life than SFP and others are thinking
not "Alabama-level pro life" and that's the problem
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:34 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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The AL lawmakers openly admit this law is meant to make it up to the Supreme Court and challenge Roe.
they didn't have to exclude rape and incest, then
and this will fail and possibly make Roberts and/or Kav and/or Gorsuch move to the middle-left
so you're possibly double-fricking yourself
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yep.
not "Alabama-level pro life" and that's the problem
Pro-lifers are seriously teetering on the edge of losing any and all chances of improving the abortion situation in this country because of some poorly timed and poor optics legislation.
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:49 pm to Magician2
Many pundits believe that Trump’s comments at the final POTUS debate was what motivated evangelicals to turn out in high numbers for him in ‘16.
As far as SCOTUS, if there is a change in Roe, it may throw it back to states to decide, which I think most people would be ok with. I’m no lawyer, so I’m just guessing that’s still a realistic outcome.
As far as SCOTUS, if there is a change in Roe, it may throw it back to states to decide, which I think most people would be ok with. I’m no lawyer, so I’m just guessing that’s still a realistic outcome.
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