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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:51 pm to josh336
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:51 pm to josh336
Well if it means significant outperform by having a team with 10 major leaguers on it that couldn’t win a championship, then yea, but I would call that underachieving.
Don’t get me wrong, PM has underachieved in a few seasons as well, but to say Sully has significantly outperformed PM is laughable. Just look at this season, Florida was preseason top 5 and won 1 game in a regional before being eliminated.
When was the last time LSU won 1 game in a regional?
Even Kendall Rogers himself admitted how bad they missed on Florida this season.
Don’t get me wrong, PM has underachieved in a few seasons as well, but to say Sully has significantly outperformed PM is laughable. Just look at this season, Florida was preseason top 5 and won 1 game in a regional before being eliminated.
When was the last time LSU won 1 game in a regional?
Even Kendall Rogers himself admitted how bad they missed on Florida this season.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 7:54 pm
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:59 pm to Broski
I’d look at the Texas Tech or Louisville coaches before Sullivan.
Those guys are winning in non-traditional NCAA baseball locations.
Those guys are winning in non-traditional NCAA baseball locations.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:03 pm to bubbz
2010. But trust me, i get your point
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:53 pm to bubbz
Think LSU won 1 game in 2018 OSU regional.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:22 pm to bfniii
quote:
and yet lsu outspends fla by A LOT so....
Any numbers to back this up?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:24 pm to TexTgrTed
We won 2 games in the 2018 regional
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:45 pm to TexTgrTed
We beat SDSU and NW St in that regional.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:46 pm to bubbz
quote:really? link? who are these people because the numbers are pretty startling
The words significantly outperform is a pretty big stretch by most expert opinions
quote:not this again. in response to this dumb statement, i asked for people to include '09. after 3 years, it finally happened. guess what? it didn't really change the numbers all that much, which i of course knew in advance. also, it's humorous that people who make this "cherry picking" accusation act like 10 seasons is some sort of unfair number to pm.
you fail to leave out 09 when LSU won a championship. Very convenient
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:48 pm to bubbz
quote:
Well if it means significant outperform by having a team with 10 major leaguers on it that couldn’t win a championship, then yea, but I would call that underachieving
not this again. quote:my word that's two idiotic statements. do you want to go for the trifecta?
to say Sully has significantly outperformed PM is laughable
quote:and i get accused of cherry picking
Florida was preseason top 5 and won 1 game in a regional before being eliminated
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:48 pm to josh336
quote:you "get" his stupid, already refuted point?
trust me, i get your point
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:49 pm to TigerCub
quote:how many times do i have to post this? we're up to 3 different times now.
Any numbers to back this up?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:12 pm to bfniii
quote:
how many times do i have to post this? we're up to 3 different times now.
Try a fourth then. I asked you to back up the fact that we significantly invest more in our program than they do. You know with actual numbers.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:23 pm to TigerCub
like i would make that statement without substantiation. btw, you could have just checked my post history instead of trying to be etough
roi. uh oh
spending comparison. uh oh again
there's 2 of the 3 i have posted in the past
now, do you want to challenge me on facilities like project tried to do?
roi. uh oh
spending comparison. uh oh again
there's 2 of the 3 i have posted in the past
now, do you want to challenge me on facilities like project tried to do?
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 10:31 am to bfniii
well this thread got quiet all the sudden. 
also, lol at people who downvoted my previous post that had d.o.e. statistics in it. like i'm making it up just to be mean. ah geez
also, lol at people who downvoted my previous post that had d.o.e. statistics in it. like i'm making it up just to be mean. ah geez
Posted on 6/12/19 at 10:40 am to bfniii
All of a sudden.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:31 am to bfniii
quote:
well this thread got quiet all the sudden
Your point is only substantiated when comparing with UF and you have to give Sully credit he has done a hell of a job there. The rest of the list though LSU is ahead of in terms of success in PM's tenure as they should be judging by expenses so your list is just completely going against your point. LSU spends more and has accomplished more than just about all of those teams. What team on that list has done more than LSU besides UF? USC won two titles and are a complete dumpster fire now and still spend a shitload of money. Texas, A&M, FLA St all haven't done shite lately and spend a shitload as well. They waste way more money than LSU. The other link just shows what teams have the best ROI. Not who has had the most success. Let me ask you this? With LSU spending 5mil + a year what do you think would be a reasonable outcome to justify that type of spending? Omaha every year? Every other year? The reason I ask is because I don't think any team spending that kind of money can realistically accomplish what their fan base would expect of them given that kind of money. That's why a lot of schools don't do it. The ROI isn't there. With all that said though if PM doesn't put out next year he should be talked into retirement. That would be completely unacceptable. IMO next year is make or break
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 11:34 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:05 pm to Howyouluhdat
quote:
The rest of the list though LSU is ahead of in terms of success in PM's tenure as they should be judging by expenses
completely wrong. lsu is not "ahead" of ttech, vandy, ucla, uva, ucla, osu, tcu, ark, unc, fsu. now, msu stands to equal lsu's cws results over the last 10 seasons. face it, lsu is standing still while these others are continuing to perform at a higher level quote:factually wrong
LSU spends more and has accomplished more than just about all of those teams
quote:i just listed them
What team on that list has done more than LSU besides UF?
quote:notice that's not one of the teams on the list
USC won two titles and are a complete dumpster fire now and still spend a shitload of money
quote:fsu has as many cws appearances over the last 9 seasons. this season, they will surpass lsu's appearances during that time span and if they win even 1 game, will equal lsu's win total. you are completely misinformed on this matter
FLA St all haven't done shite lately
quote:see the pm defenders use these idiotic subjective terms. i posted the numbers. lsu spends WAY more than fsu. fsu is getting a better roi
spend a shitload as well
quote:link?
They waste way more money than LSU
quote:
The other link just shows what teams have the best ROI. Not who has had the most success
think about what you just said quote:like i haven't answered this a million times over the last few years
what do you think would be a reasonable outcome to justify that type of spending?
quote:more mealy mouthed bullcrap. i am comparing ceteris parabis cws results, now over a decade. lsu is falling short of these other lesser programs. i'm sorry you don't like facts.
I don't think any team spending that kind of money can realistically accomplish what their fan base would expect of them given that kind of money
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:31 pm to bfniii
quote:
completely wrong. lsu is not "ahead" of ttech, vandy, ucla, uva, ucla, osu, tcu, ark, unc, fsu. now, msu stands to equal lsu's cws results over the last 10 seasons
Let’s gets this out of the way right now. Is your criteria for better overall programs ,CWS appearances? Championships? Or win/loss records in the CWS. You can’t group them all together to fit your argument. Those programs are not all created equal in terms of success in that regard do you understand that?. UCLA? Tech? TCU? Arky? Are you fricking kidding me? They have all had more disappointing underachieving seasons than LSU but yet you fail to mention any of them.
quote:
factually wrong
No it’s not
quote:
i just listed them
Those aren’t on the top ten list. You basically have a couple of schools ahead of LSU in terms of championships if you want to use that criteria ahead of LSU on that list but none of the other teams spending millions in the top ten besides UF have accomplished more so your point is being completely turned around on you. You can post CWS records all you want. I’ve told you before and I’ll tell you again, yes making the CWS is a great accomplishment but whether you go 2 & que or win 2 and then get bounced it’s fricking meaningless if your not playing for the title. How can you not understand that? I’ll give you an example. Fla St has been to the CWS 17 times and never won a title. They have more CWS wins than LSU,OSU,UVA,USC etc. Does that mean they have had more success than those teams. frick no. Hasn’t LSU and UT been overall better programs with 6 titles then FLA st? Or do you consider CWS wins the benchmark? You can’t pick and choose your argument to fit your narrative.
quote:
notice that's not one of the teams on the list
Yes they are. Did you not read your 2nd link? South Carolina is on there and they are a damn dumpster fire.
quote:
fsu has as many cws appearances over the last 9 seasons. this season, they will surpass lsu's appearances during that time span and if they win even 1 game, will equal lsu's win total. you are completely misinformed on this matter
So now your determining success factor is CWS appearances lol? Then the other teams you listed above can’t touch LSU in PM’s tenure. See what your doing, you keep moving the goal post and now your defending the most underachieving program in college baseball. fricking unreal. Just stop dude
quote:
lsu spends WAY more than fsu. fsu is getting a better roi
The fact that you think going to the CWS 17 times in 40 years and coming home with zero titles is something to brag about is laughable. They are the laughing stock of the college baseball world when it comes to winning a title but keep creating a false narrative that they somehow are a better program then other teams with multiple titles and less cws wins.
quote:
think about what you just said
Do you know what ROI means vs overall success? There’s a big difference
quote:
like i haven't answered this a million times over the last few years
Tell me again. I want to compare the teams closest to LSU in terms of spending because I can guarantee you the results won’t be what you think.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:06 pm to Howyouluhdat
quote:i haven't gotten into that terminology no matter how badly people misrepresent my posts. i have said that those programs have surpassed lsu's cws results over the last several seasons. that is a fact. some people are ok with it and make excuses. some people are not.
Is your criteria for better overall programs
quote:it's not "my argument." i am stating facts, i.e. win/loss records at the cws, cws appearances and championships.
You can’t group them all together to fit your argument
quote:what does this even mean?
Those programs are not all created equal in terms of success in that regard
quote:i am posting the fact that those programs i listed have at least as many cws appearances as lsu, at least as many cws wins, at least as many championships yet, have a lesser investment in the sport. in some cases significantly less. you seem to be unaware of the list i have been posting for the last few years.
UCLA? Tech? TCU? Arky? Are you fricking kidding me? They have all had more disappointing underachieving seasons than LSU but yet you fail to mention any of them.
quote:so you're arguing with facts? are you stupid or do you just not know the facts? lsu has not surpassed those teams in cws results over the last several seasons. that is not an opinion. you are wrong.
No it’s not
quote:i am looking at roi. the programs i listed have a lesser investment yet, are at least equal to lsu's cws results over the last several years. again, those are facts.
Those aren’t on the top ten list
quote:again, factually wrong
none of the other teams spending millions in the top ten besides UF have accomplished more
quote:so you can't be reasoned with. that's all you had to say. your statement is completely stupid. so bball teams that make the final four is meaningless because they didn't play for the nc. my word. everyone is "playing for the title" once the regionals start.
whether you go 2 & que or win 2 and then get bounced it’s fricking meaningless if your not playing for the title
again, i'm not trying to lock down a floor for lsu out of context. i am comparing resumes. other programs have a better resume over a long period of time.
quote:it means they've been more consistently successful which isn't helping your case at all.
Does that mean they have had more success than those teams. frick no
quote:you're missing the point. fsu is just ONE program that has invested less than lsu but has equaled lsu's cws results over the last several seasons.
Hasn’t LSU and UT been overall better programs with 6 titles then FLA st?
quote:i'm posting brute facts which means i don't have a "narrative."
You can’t pick and choose your argument to fit your narrative
quote:they are not on the list i have posted of programs who have been more successful.
Yes they are. Did you not read your 2nd link? South Carolina is on there and they are a damn dumpster fire
quote:one of them, yes. absolutely. who would NOT consider that a benchmark?
So now your determining success factor is CWS appearances
quote:i haven't done that one time. i have posted the exact same list for years now. it hasn't changed at all. pm defenders go ballistic over it because they think it's somehow unfair. it's just facts.
you keep moving the goal post
quote:you are calling fsu the most underachieving program? holy cow. that is asinine
the most underachieving program in college baseball
quote:the fact that you are calling it laughable suggests you have some sort of mental illness
The fact that you think going to the CWS 17 times in 40 years and coming home with zero titles is something to brag about is laughable
quote:link?
They are the laughing stock of the college baseball world when it comes to winning a title
quote:when did i say this? this is what always happens. when faced with the facts, go straight for the strawman. pm bot speciality
keep creating a false narrative that they somehow are a better program then other teams with multiple titles and less cws wins.
quote:
Do you know what ROI means vs overall success? There’s a big difference
really? explain it. this ought to be interesting. quote:given lsu's investment in the sport, lsu should be 2nd to none at the cws, especially over longer periods of time. that is not the case
Tell me again
quote:and who would that be?
I want to compare the teams closest to LSU in terms of spending
quote:you mean other than the list i've already been posting which shows that you are definitively wrong?
I can guarantee you the results won’t be what you think.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:15 pm to josh336
Yeah, didn’t recall the SDSU & NSU wins as the 2 OSU losses overshadowed.
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