re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around

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UCLA,UVA,osu,etc don't have more cws appearances than LSU over the last 10 years

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i didn't say they did. i said they are getting a better roi, and they are. ucla, uva and osu have the same number of appearances as lsu in that time. all 3 have a nc and lsu does not. what is the comparison of lsu's investment in the sport compared to those 3 schools? lsu's is significantly more.

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If you want to use CWS wins then that's why I gave you an example with Fla St.

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which didn't work

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they aren't viewed by logical college baseball fans as a better program then ones with titles

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i asked you for substantiation of this. you are just throwing around subjective words. i am posting facts. big difference

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I just explained it

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what you said was nonsense

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But that's completely false

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and you are wrong.

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Go look up the results. Stop lying

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i already have looked it up and i have been posting the list for years. apparently you are ignorant

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Are cws results wins? championships? or apprearances?

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i have included all 3 in the list. again, it seems like you are unaware of the list. perhaps if you educated yourself, you would understand

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in PM overall tenure its absolutely false

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no it's not. someone included the '09 seasons and it STILL didn't put pm at the top. it did move him a little closer. you're acting like you don't know the running conversation that's been going for several years. we've already covered all this ground before

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you are comparing two completely different sports?

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it's called an analogy. the similarity is that both sports have a robust postseason playoff. i realize this might be going over your head

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everyone is not in the title game in the regional

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i never said that. you made the idiotic statements that making the cws without playing for the championship is meaningless and that making the cws is not playing for the title unless you're in the championship series. you should stop commenting on this topic. you are all over the place.

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You define success as just going to the CWS?

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you can't even reproduce what is being said. there's no reason to think you can generate a cogent response. are you still in middle school? seriously, how old are you? tell me you're in middle school. i'll buy that.

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they haven't won shite in the CWS

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so here is one of the pm defender's greatest hits. pm can't be expected to win it all but other programs "suck" because they didn't win it all or win it all enough; fsu, fla, vandy, etc. i realize you can't see that's a rhetorical fallacy called special pleading

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You cant decide what criteria you want to use

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i'm using the exact same criteria i've been using for 3 years now. i'm sorry you don't understand that. i've been posting the exact same info all this time. you've asked for it and i've provided it. either you're really young or especially thick headed

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You are the only person I have ever heard say Fla St is better than a program that has 6 national titles

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quote where i said this

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LSU has invested more and has accomplished more than FSU...way more

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not at the cws in the last 10 seasons. you are factually wrong. fsu has 4 appearances. lsu has 3. if fsu wins 1 game, they will equal lsu's win total in that time frame. again, you are patently wrong on this matter. and this is what usually happens. people scoff at certain programs (the list rotates between vandy, ark, fla and now you with fsu) but then i post the numbers and there's a freakout

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more than half of the teams you listed cant touch LSU in terms of appearances

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you are factually wrong on this account. it's like you aren't even aware of reality. in this response, i have listed 4 that have the same number of appearances. we can even list the years and the win totals if you like.

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One of them absolutely and I can promise you just about every college baseball fan out there will tell you that

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this is more subjective, fan based, internet message board, water cooler talk. i am posting hard numbers.

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You don't go to the CWS 17 times and not come home with a title

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someone did

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That's fricking underachieving at its greatest

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that's your OPINION. and a stupid one

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you are talking shite about LSU

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i have not done this once. i have posted win/loss records. i'm sorry you don't like facts.

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LSU has been to the CWS 18 times and won 6. OSU has been 7 times and won 3. UVA has been 4 times and actually have a national title

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what does this have to do with anything? the conversation is about pm, not programs' all time records. you are completely lost in this conversation. pm has not been to the cws 18 times. good grief

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ROI means you are getting back what you put in. Overall success in no way equates to that. You can not get back what you put in but have more overall success. LSU has more overall success than just about every program but their ROI isn't as high. Do you not know what your arguing? This is comical.

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you've got to be in middle school. this is the stupidest thing i have read on this board in a while. roi is success halfwit. you are comparing what you put in/get out in relation to what everyone else is putting in/getting out. try to follow this, if you're putting in less but winning more, you're having more success than your peers. you beat out teams that invested more heavily. now extrapolate this over several years. you are the more successful program. lsu is the converse. lsu has been investing more but getting surpassed by several teams. lsu is not the more successful program. an athletic director is looking at roi. it's why some programs get cancelled sometimes. the roi isn't there. they aren't getting a return commensurate with their investment in the sport. it's partially why coaches get fired or retained. miles wasn't winning enough commensurate with lsu's investment in the sport. i realize this might be a new concept for you but, it's how ad's operate.

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Vandy is damn near the same in terms of spending and have the exact same accomplishments as LSU(unless they win it all this year). 4 CWS appearances, 1 title , 1 runner up in the last decade.

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they are not spending "nearly" the same and i haven't only looked at spending. i have also referred to facilities, fan support, everything across the board. vandy does not equal lsu in all regards. yet, vandy has 4 appearances (11/14/15/17), lsu has 3 (13/15/17). vandy has 11 wins, lsu has 5. vandy has a nc. lsu does not. there's no way you can look at those numbers and think lsu is on equal footing with vandy. vandy is the better program.

listen, even if lsu and vandy were equal in investment, vandy is getting the better return. they are winning more at a higher level than lsu. it's brute fact. they have more wins on more appearances and a nc. this season, the win/loss gap might even widen. they are maintaining that level of success. lsu is not at that level.
admittedly, on a national scale, lsu is very close to vandy. nearly the same level of success. but there's no doubt that lsu has invested significantly more in the sport yet is being superseded. the question is why some lsu fans are ok with that.

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But I bet you wish we had Vandy's success huh?

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uh absolutely. i would take that in a heartbeat. they are significantly better.