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Rand Paul sides with the anti Vax crowd/lunatics among measles outbreak

Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:22 am
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28097 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:22 am
WTF is he doing?

quote:

"But I still do not favor giving up on liberty for a false sense of security," 


Gee,I wonder if he was vaccinated as a kid?I would bet just about anything he was.

Gotta love Sen. Cassiduously

quote:

Sen. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, who said he knew patients who needed liver transplants because they avoided vaccinations. He and other witnesses pointed out that communities become vulnerable to preventable infections when not enough people have been vaccinated, a concept known as herd immunity.

"If you're such a believer in liberty that you should not be vaccinated, there should be consequences if you infect others
," Cassidy said.


Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40883 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:24 am to
quote:

Gee,I wonder if he was vaccinated as a kid?I would bet just about anything he was. 

You can favor vaccines and still believe the government shouldn't force those who don't to vaccinate their children. This is a limited government position.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:24 am to
quote:

But I still do not favor giving up on liberty for a false sense of security," 


Herd immunity to disease is not a false sense of security.

Rand Paul's head always looks like wet pubes fresh out the shower. He reminds me of the weasels in Roger Rabbit.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 7:25 am
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35683 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:25 am to
He didn’t side with anyone on anything. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

It was one set of remarks in a committee meeting. Yawn.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62000 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:25 am to
quote:

Rand Paul sides with the anti Vax crowd/lunatics among measles outbreak



Your title is misleading. He believes the government shouldn't force people to be vaccinated, but as a doctor, he believes they should be vaccinated.
I don't want the government to force vaccinations on people either. Especially when the don't care what kind of diseases are coming in with illegals.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10558 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:26 am to
quote:

"If you're such a believer in liberty that you should not be vaccinated, there should be consequences if you infect others," Cassidy said.


question for people with medical backgrounds.

if i’m vaccinated, how protected am i around people who are infected?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93157 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:27 am to
quote:

Gee,I wonder if he was vaccinated as a kid?I would bet just about anything he was.



Everyone was back in the normal days. I just dont understand how you pro mass vaxxers can think getting 38 shots before you are 5 is normal plus flu shots
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58465 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:31 am to
The only people who believe everyone should be vaccinated are dumb nurse girls on Facebook which rank up there with chickens on the iq scale
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28097 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:41 am to
quote:

You can favor vaccines and still believe the government shouldn't force those who don't to vaccinate their children. This is a limited government position.


Just stop it.I know he's a man-God to you but stop with the "limited govt" party line.Measles were declared "dead" in 2000 and now there making a roaring comeback thanks to his mindset.

How exactly do you think Polio was eradicated?

BTW,if it's a "limited govt" posistion how come he makes statements like this:

quote:

Paul acknowledged that those who are not vaccinated could spread diseases to immunocompromised people. But he claimed that “there doesn’t seem to be enough evidence of this happening to be reported as a statistic.”


Or this:

quote:

he claimed to have “heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines.”


Please Rand give us examples.

He's attempting to make a counter argument off incorrect statistical data and hearsay...something I rarely him do.He usually backs up his statements/arguements with good imperical/historical data.

BTW there's also a new measles breakoUT here in metro Atl.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32702 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:41 am to
I don’t think people should be required to get vaccines, but they should be highly encouraged, and people should be informed about what happens if you dont get the vaccine. It’s unfortunate how many stupid people we have in our country, bc most of them probably need to be forced to get vaccines, but it’s a huge overreach of government to force people to get them
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93157 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:42 am to
quote:

Measles were declared "dead" in 2000 and now there making a roaring comeback thanks to his mindset.



I dont think his mindset is the issue
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58465 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:44 am to
The reason diseases are coming back isn’t because of anti vaxxers it’s because of Mexicans
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40883 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:44 am to
quote:

Just stop it.I know he's a man-God to you but stop with the "limited govt" party line.

So the next time the government tries to force you to do something you don't believe in because they deem it objectively good for you, you'll have no one to blame but yourself.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32702 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:47 am to
quote:

So the next time the government tries to force you to do something you don't believe in because they deem it objectively good for you, you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

“We think RD Dawg would be more comfortable as a transgender woman. We are signing him up to have sexual reassignment surgery. We are so excited for him!”

Or

“We think the views RD Dawg is expressing are a sign of severe mental illness. Statistics show people with these views are more likely to be mentally ill and commit mass murders. We are putting him into a mental health treatment facility until he is shown to not harbor hateful views.”
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 7:50 am
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29588 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:50 am to
The government shouldn’t be able to force anyone to get shots, but would be well within its rights to deny access to any public services to someone who chooses to not get shots. You want a driver’s license so you can drive on publicly funded roads? Get your shots you fricking idiot.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:50 am to
I always liked Rand but he lost me on this issue.

I’m all for decreasing government, cutting spending, cutting taxes, but I also think not vaccinating is a real public health risk and outside of a legitimate medical excise should be mandatory at criminal expense.

Before you whine anout liberty what about the liberty and civil rights of those out at risk and get a preventable disease because some dipshit believed the pseudoscience about vaccines being bad.
Posted by Goombaw
Kentucky
Member since Jan 2013
6159 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:50 am to
I'm vaccinated and so are my children, but I do believe that the Government being able to force citizens to do something "for their own good" is a dangerous precedent to set...

What's next?
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43900 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:51 am to
quote:

You can favor vaccines and still believe the government shouldn't force those who don't to vaccinate their children. This is a limited government position.



This.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62438 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:51 am to
quote:

"But I still do not favor giving up on liberty for a false sense of security," 


I agree with this position.

However, I also think people who do not vaccinate their children should have access to government services. They should absolutely be denied access to public schools. You can do what you want, but that doesn't give you he right to do it to everyone else too.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 7:59 am
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
30382 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:51 am to
quote:

question for people with medical backgrounds. if i’m vaccinated, how protected am i around people who are infected?


Well, how else would you be exposed to the illness you're vaccinated against other than infected people?

I'm guessing the vaccination will protect you.
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