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re: Rand Paul sides with the anti Vax crowd/lunatics among measles outbreak
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:52 am to RD Dawg
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:52 am to RD Dawg
Your body, your choice. Some people are at risk for severe reactions and most of those people are unaware as proper screenings are not required before administering vaccinations to children.
This is why vaccine damages paid out by the taxpayers have reached over $6 billion to victims.
There needs to be reform here in both safety testing and studies for what makes people vulnerable to all the reactions.
This is why vaccine damages paid out by the taxpayers have reached over $6 billion to victims.
There needs to be reform here in both safety testing and studies for what makes people vulnerable to all the reactions.
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:52 am to memphis tiger
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a real public health risk
If that's the threshold for government mandates, do you want socialist Dems being able to determine what constitutes a risk? Because it will be anything and everything.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:54 am to SDVTiger
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Everyone was back in the normal days. I just dont understand how you pro mass vaxxers can think getting 38 shots before you are 5 is normal plus flu shots
Ask people in 3rd world countries dying of TB and measles.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:54 am to SCLibertarian
quote:Like mandatory purchases of, oh say, health insurance?
So the next time the government tries to force you to do something you don't believe in because they deem it objectively good for you, you'll have no one to blame but yourself.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:54 am to Nutriaitch
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if i’m vaccinated, how protected am i around people who are infected?
It’s like you’re wearing a bulletproof vest. The majority of bullets would probably hit you in the chest and you’d be good. But if you get shot in the head you’re out of luck. Vaccinations will only reduce your chances, they aren’t 100%
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:56 am to SCLibertarian
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If that's the threshold for government mandates, do you want socialist Dems being able to determine what constitutes a risk? Because it will be anything and everything
Wrong. I’m talking about a real risk not some made up bullshite by the Dems.
Vaccines have literally saved millions of lives and prevented countless others from getting sick.
By your logic driving drunk out of your mind should be completely legal. Because the reason it isn’t is due to the risk it poses to the person driving drunk and to others.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:56 am to Revelator
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Your title is misleading. He believes the government shouldn't force people to be vaccinated, but as a doctor, he believes they should be vaccinated. I don't want the government to force vaccinations on people either. Especially when the don't care what kind of diseases are coming in with illegals.
Doesn't this boil down to kids in school? Hasn't it always been required to receive shots and show updated immunization records to schools before being able to attend?
Is that what we're talking about when we say govt forced vaccinations?
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:58 am to el Gaucho
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The reason diseases are coming back isn’t because of anti vaxxers it’s because of Mexicans
Is there a difference? Both groups unvaccinated and can spread illness.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:00 am to SCLibertarian
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So the next time the government tries to force you to do something you don't believe in because they deem it objectively good for you, you'll have no one to blame but yourself.
Govt forcing you to do something is part of daily life.
You should drive 110mph everywhere. Damn govt controlling your life!!!
Yeah, govt controlling me through driving laws. I don't believe in speed limits.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:00 am to i am dan
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Ask people in 3rd world countries dying of TB and measles.
This doesnt make sense
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:01 am to SDVTiger
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d how you pro mass vaxxers
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getting 38 shots before you are 5 is normal plus flu shots
You gotta love the anti Vax math.BTW did you and or your kids get vaccinated?
Do you really think kids were less prone to diseases like Polo,whooping cough,chicken pox,diphtheria measels before vaccines?
Which ones do you want your kids to refuse?
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:01 am to Nutriaitch
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if i’m vaccinated, how protected am i around people who are infected?
My SIL got brain meningitis from an unvaccinated child. One of only a few pediatricians in their area who will see unvaccinated patients. This was recently and obviously she’s rethinking that position now. People need to vaccinate their kids. Lucky to be alive
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:01 am to imjustafatkid
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However, I also think people who do not vaccinate their children should have access to government services.
What about when the government wants to force your 5 year old to get vaccinated for hpv which is an std
And the vaccine causes sterility?
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:03 am to imjustafatkid
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However, I also think people who do not vaccinate their children should have have access to government services. They should absolutely be denied access to public schools. You can do what you want, but that doesn't give you he right to do it to everyone else too.
I've never understood why people are so afraid of freedom and choice?
Don't want to vaccinate your kid? No problem, but understand that the local public school requires a vaccination card for the kid to attend or you need to produce a vaccination card to attend the concert, etc, etc. That's a far better alternative than giving the gov't control over personal medical decisions. Damn.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:05 am to RD Dawg
This is why I ultimately cant support libertarianism. The greater good means nothing to them.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:05 am to RD Dawg
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did you and or your kids get vaccinated?
Yes. Im not anti vax. This is why you are the lunatic. Along with allowing the Gov to force things on you
I'm in the Robert Kennedy jr camp when it comes to this issue
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:07 am to memphis tiger
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Vaccines have literally saved millions of lives and prevented countless others from getting sick.
They have also killed people and severely damaged many. There is a risk. Any risk means people have a right to determine if they want to take a risk.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:08 am to el Gaucho
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What about when the government wants to force your 5 year old to get vaccinated for hpv which is an std
And the vaccine causes sterility?
The HPV vaccine gets much worse than just making girls sterile.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:10 am to memphis tiger
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By your logic driving drunk out of your mind should be completely legal. Because the reason it isn’t is due to the risk it poses to the person driving drunk and to others.
This is apples and oranges from a criminal law perspective. In almost every jurisdiction in this country, children are viewed as chattel. As such, their parents have full authority to make decisions on behalf of a child. In Meyer vs. Nebraska, the U.S. Supreme Court held that parents have a fundamental right to rear their children in a manner consistent with their beliefs. This was one of the first cases that established substantive due process.
What this means is that criminal anti-vaccination laws, if challenged before the court, would have to survive strict scrutiny in order to remain. That's why there is a religious/philosophical exemption to school immunizations in 47 of 50 states. Criminalizing anti-vaxxers is constitutionally impossible at the moment imo.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:11 am to notsince98
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They have also killed people and severely damaged many. There is a risk. Any risk means people have a right to determine if they want to take a risk.
We didn’t have all this isis and warlords in Africa when most of them died before age 10
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