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re: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says "Ms. Hoda Muthana is not a U.S. citizen"

Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89790 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:20 pm to
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"Ms. Hoda Muthana is not a U.S. citizen"


Well, then, her predicament literally is none of our business.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96902 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:32 pm to


Yo dawg we’re sending you a handheld copy of Oregon Trail so you can die of dysentery while you die of dysentery.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7655 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:40 pm to
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I'm seeing mixed messages on this...was she never a US citizen, or did her citizenship get revoked?


I read that she was born to Diplomats to the US in New Jersey and that since she was born to diplomats she is not a US citizen. I believe the State Department released that info.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
22059 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:42 pm to
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If she was born here she is a US citizen
No, there's a few exceptions to that rule, one of which is that children born in the US to foreign diplomats aren't granted birthright citizenship.

Hoda's dad was a foreign diplomat from Yemen, which would mean she wasn't automatically a US citizen by being born here. That's Pompeo's legal standing. Her attorney is arguing that her dad was no longer working as a diplomat at the time of her birth, so she should be a citizen by birth.

Going to be interesting to see how this plays out in court. If Hoda's citizenship argument wins, does she return to the US where she's going to face charges for joining a terrorist organization, aiding and abetting the enemy, and possibly treason and possibly spend most of her life in prison?
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10508 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:58 pm to
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Her attorney is arguing that her dad was no longer working as a diplomat at the time of her birth, so she should be a citizen by birth.


Did her dad’s immigration status change prior to her birth? If not, it doesn’t matter whether he was still officially a diplomat or not. If he or his wife shifted their status prior to her birth than they may have a argument. Still, she can and should have her citizenship revoked. She joined an enemy of the state and on top of that encouraged violence to Americans.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27421 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:02 pm to
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If not, it doesn’t matter whether he was still officially a diplomat or not.


Yep. If he/they was/were still in the country on his diplomatic visa, she's not a natural born citizen, regardless of whether he was 'officially' still on the books at the Yemeni embassy.
Posted by CarolinaDawg
Richmond Hill, GA
Member since Sep 2007
140 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:03 pm to
Not true, if born to a foreign diplomat her citizenship is to the country the parents are representing.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:04 pm to
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enjoy your hell hole, bitch.


The proper term is "shite hole."
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36559 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:05 pm to
We all know how this story will evolve.

The MSM will inform the American Public that President Trump is refusing to let Polyanna back in America because he's a racist bigot.

Let's give the media a week to get their act together.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
22027 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:07 pm to
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I'm seeing mixed messages on this...was she never a US citizen, or did her citizenship get revoked?


If done voluntarily and with the intent to relinquish citizenship, the following acts will cause you to lose citizenship:
Serving in the armed forces of a foreign country engaged in hostilities against the U.S.
Taking an officer position in the armed forces of a foreign state
Being convicted of treason
Taking an oath or affirmation to a foreign state
Working for a foreign government when you are of that nationality

Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37850 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:09 pm to
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Hoda's dad was a foreign diplomat from Yemen, which would mean she wasn't automatically a US citizen by being born here. That's Pompeo's legal standing. Her attorney is arguing that her dad was no longer working as a diplomat at the time of her birth, so she should be a citizen by birth.


Ahhhh.......got it

Interesting
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27421 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:09 pm to
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Serving in the armed forces of a foreign country engaged in hostilities against the U.S


quote:

Taking an oath or affirmation to a foreign state



IIRC, these causes have been expanded to include quasi-state actors/organizations like ISIS and AQ, etc. Could be wrong there though.
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4494 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:09 pm to
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Hoda's dad was a foreign diplomat from Yemen, which would mean she wasn't automatically a US citizen by being born here. That's Pompeo's legal standing. Her attorney is arguing that her dad was no longer working as a diplomat at the time of her birth, so she should be a citizen by birth.


So why was her dad still here in US if he was no longer functioning in the role that brought him here originally? Is he still here? Is he on some type of visa or something that gives him permanent status?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:10 pm to
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she once wrote, according to The Guardian. “Go on drivebys, and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriots, Memorial, etc day … Kill them.”


Yeah you can go eat shite and die.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27421 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:11 pm to
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So why was her dad still here in US if he was no longer functioning in the role that brought him here originally? Is he still here? Is he on some type of visa or something that gives him permanent status?


It is not uncommon for diplomats to apply for and receive permanent visas for them/their family after they complete their diplomatic mission. It should come as no shock that diplomats from shitholes like Yemen often find that they prefer the American way of life to their home country while they are here.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
22027 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:13 pm to
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No, there's a few exceptions to that rule, one of which is that children born in the US to foreign diplomats aren't granted birthright citizenship.


The foreign diplomats children not being granted US citizenship is the same reason why illegal Aliens children should not be citizens.

The clause that grants birthright citizenship includes the phrase 'under the Juristdiction thereof'

Congress passed the constitutional act that made diplomats children born in the US non-citizens. Congress can also pass an act that makes the children born to illegal aliens also not citizens, since they also fall under the same constitutional phrase.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127265 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:23 pm to
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Can we get some background info on her family? Why are they in Alabama?
I blame Saban....
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
91227 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 6:20 pm to
Should have stayed in Alabama.


Grass ain’t always greener, is it?
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15559 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 7:03 pm to
If the diplomat rule doesn’t apply, this could be the a great way for justice amy to eliminate anchor baby citizenship via Supreme Court ruling.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
12928 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 8:24 pm to
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If she was born here she is a US citizen. She can return and face the consequences of joining a terrorist group.


I still don’t understand why she wants to. She is surrounded by the religion of peace.
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