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re: Camille Paglia Eviscerates her own Party

Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:18 pm to
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34820 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:18 pm to
Caustic
Posted by Tiger Roux
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
4939 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:19 pm to
Liberals today hold up JFK as their hero because he was a democrat.
He would be a right wing wacko today.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:21 pm to
Check out The Future of Capitalism by Oxford prof Paul Collier for a sobering assessment of how both left and right have gone off the rails recently. As the left become ideologues and the right become populists, the pragmatists in the center have been increasingly ignored.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:22 pm to
I probably don't agree with her on a lot of issues, but she's a woman I can respect and have a conversation with. Bring back this type of liberal please.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:25 pm to
Damn Common Sense, who would have thunk it
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
4495 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:26 pm to
quote:

The deep state is no myth but a sodden, intertwined mass of bloated, self-replicating bureaucracy that constitutes the real power in Washington and that stubbornly outlasts every administration


....and they want Robert Mueller et al to deliver Trump's head on a silver platter to them. We let Mueller do it and you can kiss this country goodbye. Donald Trump and his army of "deplorables" was the last chance to save this free market orientated Constitutional Republic.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:27 pm to
Read the book I reference above. It’s not even this type of [liberal] or [conservative] we need. The ideologues, zealots and elitist statists must all be summarily dismissed.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:33 pm to
quote:

Donald Trump and his army of "deplorables" was the last chance to save this free market orientated Constitutional Republic.




And war is ugly and unpleasant
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:34 pm to
Every now and then I'll take a break from my usual no holds barred anti left shtick. Cam has given us a few much needed rest breaks.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99119 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:39 pm to
I love that woman
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68156 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:00 pm to
quote:

unchecked bureaucracy, in government or academe, is inherently authoritarian and illiberal.


beautifully stated
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22355 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:03 pm to
Also loved when Michael Moore predicted Trump would win. That was special.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34342 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:08 pm to
Most impressive!
Posted by Jubilee
Member since Sep 2012
228 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 9:56 pm to
I’m a big fan of hers. One of my favorite things she’s said is that if women had run humanity we’d still be living in grass huts. There’d probably be fewer wars, less competition, etc. but women would still be dying in childbirth since men have improved medicine(and built bridges, hospitals,...) That notion also jives with her belief that the huge mistake of modern feminism is seeing men as the enemy. Men have sought to protect women and obviously the genders worked together through all of history.

( I’m a woman and TOTALLY agree with the grass huts theory.)
Posted by Meauxjeaux
98836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 12/8/18 at 10:15 pm to
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I have been trying for decades to get my fellow Democrats to realize how unchecked bureaucracy, in government or academe, is inherently authoritarian and illiberal. A persistent characteristic of civilizations in decline throughout history has been their self-strangling by slow, swollen, and stupid bureaucracies.


The woman gets it. At least now she does.
Posted by byeyoutiger
Member since Oct 2018
98 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 10:20 pm to
Me too. She also references Jordan Peterson. Both are interestingly influenced by Jungian analyst Erich Neumann and his book 'The Origin and History of Consciousness'(1949).

Open Minded liberals like her are the kinds of professors and thinking I was accustom to in receiving a liberal arts education. I am a conservative and I have to credit instructors and scholars like Dr Paglia for forcing me to think and learn to think through ideas and challenges.
She does not represent todays left. Todays left are more close minded than the extreme fundamentalist that I remember knowing when I was a student three and four decades ago. If they could see the forest for the trees they would sit at her feet and learn to "know thyself."
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 10:28 pm
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99119 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 10:25 pm to
quote:

The woman gets it. At least now she does


She's been saying this sort of stuff since the late 80s.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 11:29 pm to
Have you read that book?
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18017 posts
Posted on 12/8/18 at 11:39 pm to
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Liberals today hold up JFK as their hero because he was a democrat. He would be a right wing wacko today.


That would make a good commercial if not already done.

Posted by RazorBroncs
Harding Bisons Fan
Member since Sep 2013
13546 posts
Posted on 12/9/18 at 12:13 am to
quote:

The mainstream media’s nonstop assault on Trump has certainly backfired by cementing his outsider status. He is basically a pragmatic deal-maker, indifferent to ideology.


I don't know if I've ever seen a more apt and fitting statement from a Democrat. I wish more of them were able to set aside political affiliations and cut through the hate that's often spewed, it's refreshing.
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