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re: 2015: Finished 10*-3 and the AD attempted to fire the head coach
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:51 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:51 pm to Lester Earl
It WAS a BCS bowl.
It’s isn’t anymore.
I would Say it is now LESS prestigious than it used to be.
On par with the Peach and Cotton in the BCS days.
Obviously this changes when it’s a CFP game. But clearly it isn’t this year.
It’s a bottom of the barrel NYE6 bowl.
It’s isn’t anymore.
I would Say it is now LESS prestigious than it used to be.
On par with the Peach and Cotton in the BCS days.
Obviously this changes when it’s a CFP game. But clearly it isn’t this year.
It’s a bottom of the barrel NYE6 bowl.
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 12:57 pm
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Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:52 pm to slackster
Feel free to doubt it. It’s set up to be a great year. I’m not accepting anything less either. This is never about O for me despite what everyone thinks.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:53 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
This is never about O for me despite what everyone thinks.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:53 pm to Lester Earl
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Feel free to doubt it. It’s set up to be a great year. I’m not accepting anything less either. This is never about O for me despite what everyone thinks.
I mean the benefit of the doubt you've given him is astounding considering how you thought of Miles, but yeah, we both want the same for LSU.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:54 pm to SammyTiger
I wouldnt Call the fiesta bowl this year one of th top 4 bowls.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:59 pm to Lester Earl
quote:bullshite
You don't fire a coach with higher expectations to hire a coach with lower expectations.
That’s not how it works. Expectations are based on the state of the program, not who you hire.
People demanded Miles gone, not because the program was declining (in their minds), but because he was losing games he should win. Arkansas, Ole Miss, etc. Those are the most cited games.
Alabama was generally conceded as a loss, as they are every season. That in itself was irritating, but not the issue (Alabama beats everyone). But the issue was that LSU was losing a couple games it shouldn't be, that season.
Miles was still expected to go 11-2 or so.
Now, Orgeron is here, and the expectations have changed. Alabama is a no-go. Any team with a respected coach, or that is ranked, is considered a tossup now. That's based on our coach, not on our program.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 12:59 pm to SammyTiger
Sammy there is no bcs anymore.
Hello
Hello
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:00 pm to Lester Earl
I think I was Pretty clear about that in my post.
Times have changed and the Fiesta isn’t as good as a bowl as it used to be when it was a BCS bowl.
That’s my whole point
Times have changed and the Fiesta isn’t as good as a bowl as it used to be when it was a BCS bowl.
That’s my whole point
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:01 pm to SammyTiger
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It WAS a BCS bowl. It’s isn’t anymore.
Fiesta absolutely is in the CFB Playoff rotation. There is no more BCS.
quote:
The two semifinal games rotate among six major bowl games, referred to as the New Year's Six: the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, and Peach Bowl
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:02 pm to slackster
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Well we fired our coach during the 2016 season, so congratulations to Orgeron for having us in better position than we were without a coach
So you admit that coach O is doing a good job and has the program in better shape than Les. Thank you.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:04 pm to Scoob
quote:
Now, Orgeron is here, and the expectations have changed. Alabama is a no-go. Any team with a respected coach, or that is ranked, is considered a tossup now. That's based on our coach, not on our program.
Expectations are fluid. As the team improves so will the odds in the games you speak of. We can go from 2pt underdogs vs A&M this year to 4 point favorites very easily next year. That has nothing to do with Orgeron, rather how many guys we return & how our team is constructed. We get it, you hate O. Doesn’t mean you have to say ridiculous shite
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:06 pm to SammyTiger
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Times have changed and the Fiesta isn’t as good as a bowl as it used to be when it was a BCS bowl.
If you’re not in the CFB playoff then you’re in the next best thing.
Just like if you weren’t in the bcs game, you were in the next best thing
Top tier payout
Prime time scheduling
The fiesta is still what it’s always been
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:07 pm to The First Cut
It’s in the rotation and clearly it’s a good bowl when it’s not a playoff game, it’s a second tier NY6 game. It’s not as good as some of the others. It’s still a top 6 bowl game, but I’d argue so was the Peach bowl in 2012.
The Peach and the Cotton bowls were pretty high profile bowls.
We played a 10-2 Clemson in the Peach bowl it was a damn good bowl.
The Peach and the Cotton bowls were pretty high profile bowls.
We played a 10-2 Clemson in the Peach bowl it was a damn good bowl.
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:11 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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Losing to Arkansas 2 years in a row would do it to you. That schedule was soft compared to the current schedule.
Take away a cupcake, this team is 8-3 rt now.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:12 pm to Scoob
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People demanded Miles gone, not because the program was declining (in their minds), but because he was losing games he should win. Arkansas, Ole Miss, etc. Those are the most cited games.
Alabama was generally conceded as a loss, as they are every season. That in itself was irritating, but not the issue (Alabama beats everyone). But the issue was that LSU was losing a couple games it shouldn't be, that season.
Miles was still expected to go 11-2 or so.
Now, Orgeron is here, and the expectations have changed. Alabama is a no-go. Any team with a respected coach, or that is ranked, is considered a tossup now. That's based on our coach, not on our program.
Lets not forget the fact that poster youre talking to routinely stated that Miles(not the program or the talent) was holding lsu back from winning titles.
He has but his bias on full display.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:13 pm to bencoleman
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So you admit that coach O is doing a good job and has the program in better shape than Les. Thank you.
There was no coach at the end of 2016 ben.
If you're asking if the program is in better shape than it was at the exact moment Miles was fired, I'd say yes, but is that really the bar we're going to use?
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:13 pm to SammyTiger
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It’s in the rotation and clearly it’s a good bowl when it’s not a playoff game, it’s a second tier NY6 game. It’s not as good as some of the others. It’s still a top 6 bowl game, but I’d argue so was the Peach bowl in 2012. The Peach and the Cotton bowls were pretty high profile bowls. We played a 10-2 Clemson in the Peach bowl it was a damn good bowl.
Most years the old Peach Bowl/Chick Fil A Bowl featured at least one team that was unranked. The 2012 year was an anomaly. In the 2011 bowl, both teams were unranked.
LINK
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:16 pm to Lester Earl
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If you’re not in the CFB playoff then you’re in the next best thing. Just like if you weren’t in the bcs game, you were in the next best thing Top tier payout Prime time scheduling The fiesta is still what it’s always been
Never mind the inconvenient fact that the NY6 are far easier to make now than they've ever been.
This probably comes off as me shitting on the Fiesta Bowl, but I'm not. I'm just not ignorant of the fact they were much more selective in the past.
This season's results under the BCS system would have put LSU in the Capital One Bowl, at best.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:16 pm to SammyTiger
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wouldnt Call the fiesta bowl this year one of th top 4 bowls.
I agree with this. With the rotation of the playoffs. The fiesta is the same this year as the years we went to the cotton or chicken bowl. Those were the next best games for the sec outside of the Sugar. Now those are just in the rotation.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:18 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Nope.
Now, Orgeron is here, and the expectations have changed. Alabama is a no-go. Any team with a respected coach, or that is ranked, is considered a tossup now. That's based on our coach, not on our program.
Expectations are fluid. As the team improves so will the odds in the games you speak of. We can go from 2pt underdogs vs A&M this year to 4 point favorites very easily next year. That has nothing to do with Orgeron, rather how many guys we return & how our team is constructed.
Les Miles led LSU into 2 games vs Wisconsin (a good, respected program nationally), with Anthony Jennings and Brandon Harris starting at QB. It was widely EXPECTED around here (the fanbase) that we should still win easily. People were grumpy at the close win, and outraged at the close loss. The integral thought was "we should be playing better", not that the program itself had slid.
Ed Orgeron led LSU into a game vs Miami, with Joe Burrow (considered a great transfer at the time) as the starting QB. We as fans were nervous and hopeful. We were extremely happy with the win.
I say completely honestly- if Miles had been our coach, that win would have been demanded, not hoped for.
quote:I don't know O, so I don't hate him.
We get it, you hate O. Doesn’t mean you have to say ridiculous shite
Based on his career, I wasn't expecting LSU to go roll over a top 10 team not from the SEC. I hoped we'd compete and be respectable, and hopefully come away with a W.
Again, when Miles had games like this, we all fully expected LSU to exert it's dominance.
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