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re: 2015: Finished 10*-3 and the AD attempted to fire the head coach
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:20 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:20 pm to Lester Earl
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2015 was a tougher SEC and Arkansas and Mississippi were much stronger teams than this year.
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They. Both. Lost. To. G5. Schools. In. 2015
Are you saying Arkansas and Old Miss were not clearly better programs in 2015 than they were in 2018? I need to know how much of a goofball I am dealing with here.
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SOS is meaningless
Never mind answering that question. You are a major goofball.
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Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:23 pm to Lester Earl
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Expectations are fluid. As the team improves so will the odds in the games you speak of.
Do you think the coaching staff affects expectations as well?
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:24 pm to slackster
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Never mind the inconvenient fact that the NY6 are far easier to make now than they've ever been
No one is ignoring that. This is still what teams play for regardless if they take a few extra teams.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:25 pm to slackster
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f you're asking if the program is in better shape than it was at the exact moment Miles was fired, I'd say yes, but is that really the bar we're going to use?
Its just barely better because we actually know who the coach is and who the oc is. Thats literally the only difference.
Its amazing watching people shite on losing to 10 win ole miss while dismissing losing to troy and having the worst loss in lsu/ miss st history.
Watching posters tout beating 2 teams that have combined for 4 sec wins in 2 years as proof the program is better.
We still lose to bama, we still lose to 2 other inferior teams.
The only thing thats changed is that now the O sycophants shite on lsu players to prop up incompetent coaching instead of admitting that they are unacceptable losses just like in 2014&2015.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:26 pm to LSU Groupee
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Are you saying Arkansas and Old Miss were not clearly better programs in 2015 than they were in 2018?
I have not once in this thread compared ole miss & Arkansas in 2015 to now. Weird question
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:29 pm to LSU Groupee
2017 ole miss and arky= 4 sec wins
2018 ole miss and arky= 1 sec win
2015 arky= 5 sec wins.
Clowns use that argument. People that couldnt point out the jack lb if someone had a pistol to their head.
2018 ole miss and arky= 1 sec win
2015 arky= 5 sec wins.
Clowns use that argument. People that couldnt point out the jack lb if someone had a pistol to their head.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:30 pm to UpToPar
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Do you think the coaching staff affects expectations as well?
Of course. It’s always a factor in someway indirectly.
Now, to the level that the people in this thread do?
Nope.
But it’s always a factor in s. The coach has his hand on everything.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:31 pm to Lester Earl
Stop playing games and answer what I asked you.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:33 pm to Lester Earl
So the lowered expectations are at least, in part, due to our coaching staff then, right?
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:38 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Clowns use that argument.
I know.
I guess they cant come up with anything better, so they go retard.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:38 pm to LSU Groupee
This is not game playing. You asked me this:
Are you saying Arkansas and Old Miss were not clearly better programs in 2015 than they were in 2018
And you quoted something about me saying they both lost to G5 teams in 2015. So I’ll ask again otherwise I’ll ignore you; where did I allude those programs were not better then than now?
Are you saying Arkansas and Old Miss were not clearly better programs in 2015 than they were in 2018
And you quoted something about me saying they both lost to G5 teams in 2015. So I’ll ask again otherwise I’ll ignore you; where did I allude those programs were not better then than now?
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:44 pm to UpToPar
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So the lowered expectations are at least, in part, due to our coaching staff then, right?
For me, right now? No
My expectations are lowered based on having a new coach after firing the all time winningest one. It’s not so much who the coach is at this point. But it will evolve to that as soon as next year
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:49 pm to Lester Earl
Expectations come from the head coach.
Les Miles had never lost an OOC game until Wisconsin, so any time we played someone not SEC, a win was expected. No matter what the ranking or matchup was. Miles was the standard bearer for SEC dominance.
Orgeron has lost to Troy. So now, no matter who we play, there's hesitance to predict a win, and the opponent gets built up. If we do win, it's great. If we somehow lose, it's because that was a solid team or a great coach.
3 years ago, that wouldn't have worked.
Les Miles had never lost an OOC game until Wisconsin, so any time we played someone not SEC, a win was expected. No matter what the ranking or matchup was. Miles was the standard bearer for SEC dominance.
Orgeron has lost to Troy. So now, no matter who we play, there's hesitance to predict a win, and the opponent gets built up. If we do win, it's great. If we somehow lose, it's because that was a solid team or a great coach.
3 years ago, that wouldn't have worked.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:52 pm to Scoob
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Orgeron has lost to Troy. So now, no matter who we play, there's hesitance to predict a win, and the opponent gets built up. If we do win, it's great. If we somehow lose, it's because that was a solid team or a great coach.
3 years ago, that wouldn't have worked.
Exactly.
Miles got shite on for not winning sec road games by enough points.
Hell he is getting shite on for losing to a 10 win ole miss team that also beat alabama and an arky team that led bama late in the 3rd quarter.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:59 pm to Lester Earl
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For me, right now? No
My expectations are lowered based on having a new coach after firing the all time winningest one. It’s not so much who the coach is at this point. But it will evolve to that as soon as next year
So your expectations for the team would have been the same for 2017 and 2018 if LSU hired Saban instead of Orgeron? I hate to use such an extreme example, but are you really going as far as to say that the coaching staff has had no part in the lowered expectations?
Posted on 12/5/18 at 2:06 pm to SammyTiger
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WAS a BCS bowl.
It’s isn’t anymore.
I would Say it is now LESS prestigious than it used to be.
On par with the Peach and Cotton in the BCS days.
Obviously this changes when it’s a CFP game. But clearly it isn’t this year.
It’s a bottom of the barrel NYE6 bowl
This isn't true at all.
Per wikipedia.
The two semifinal games rotate among six major bowl games, referred to as the New Year's Six: the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, and Peach Bowl.[8] In addition to the four teams selected for the playoff, the final CFP rankings are used to help determine the participants for the other four New Year's Six bowls that are not hosting the semifinals that year. The semifinal games, which take place on the same day, are usually scheduled on Friday, Saturday, or Monday close to or on New Years Day,[9] with flexibility allowed to ensure that they are not in conflict with other bowl games traditionally held on New Year's Day. The National Championship game is then played on the first Monday that is six or more days after the semifinals
Posted on 12/5/18 at 2:12 pm to slackster
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If you're asking if the program is in better shape than it was at the exact moment Miles was fired, I'd say yes, but is that really the bar we're going to use
Not asking anything. Just pointing out that the team is in better shape now than when Les left it and you all agreed.
So now that we've established that coach O is doing better than Les why does all of these arguments have to be rehashed on a daily basis.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 2:14 pm to bencoleman
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So you admit that coach O is doing a good job and has the program in better shape than Les. Thank you.
No, don't be a ridiculous.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 2:21 pm to UpToPar
Well of course Its nick Saban, that goes out the window. But it’s not; there’s only one of those guys.
If it were Mullen or Jimbo, both who I think are better coaches than O, I don’t think things would be happening any quicker. Maybe a few small details here & there but on a larger scale, the same.
If it were Mullen or Jimbo, both who I think are better coaches than O, I don’t think things would be happening any quicker. Maybe a few small details here & there but on a larger scale, the same.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 2:56 pm to Scoob
“ fully expected”
More like fully demanded. Discussions about hard schedules or injuries was almost non-existent and never used to reduce expectations.
I don’t know how anyone can say our expectations haven’t been lowered with a straight face. Especially when Joe labels 9-3 as a great season even before the bowl game.
More like fully demanded. Discussions about hard schedules or injuries was almost non-existent and never used to reduce expectations.
I don’t know how anyone can say our expectations haven’t been lowered with a straight face. Especially when Joe labels 9-3 as a great season even before the bowl game.
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