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First hunting rifle. Stainless barrel? And caliber question.

Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:14 am
Posted by LSUMurse
Metairie, LA
Member since May 2008
352 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:14 am
A buddy of mine has leased some hunting land and invited me to come out.

I'm looking at a Weatherby Vanguard Series 2. So my questions:

Is a stainless steel barrel worth the extra $150? Other than rust prevention, is there any real advantage?

On the new lease, we'll be hunting hogs and deer. A .308 was suggested, however there is a possibility of making an elk hunt in Alaska in a couple years. Would a .308 be ok for elk? Would a 30-06 Springfield be too big for hog? I'd like a rifle capable of killing hog, deer, and elk without taking the chance of making the animal suffer for being too small, while also not destroying the meat by being too big.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22215 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:22 am to
I’ve never owned a gun with a stainless barrel, so I can’t really comment on that.

.308 would be fine for deer hogs and elk as would 30-06.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38874 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:33 am to
Barrel finish is your choice. If you like it and think it's worth it, get it.

Personally, I like wood rifles with blue barrels.

.308 is a well rounded caliber and would be okay for elk. If you wanted to tip more to a good caliber for elk and not too much overkill for deer and pigs you might look at a .300 MAG.
Posted by Pat Sajak
New Orleans
Member since May 2009
755 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:35 am to
I dislike stainless. My ocd wants the barrel and scope to match, and the selection of silver scopes is slim in comparison to black scopes.
Posted by unclejhim
Folsom, La.
Member since Nov 2011
3703 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:36 am to
Stainless is nice but not needed...it's the inside of the barrel that counts. Minimal maintenance and a blued barrel will last several generations.
308 vs 30-06...take your pick. I'm partial to 30-06 but I shoot a 60 year old Winchester model 70 in 30-06...it shoots where I aim.
After 60 years I had the gun re-blued last year.
The stock is probably more important for nasty weather.
Posted by jaydoubleyew
Downtown
Member since Oct 2011
726 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:39 am to
Agree with the above. Barrel and caliber choice is up to you and both are fine. Can say that I bought that rifle for my dad in 30.06 a few years ago, fantastic gun.
Posted by PTBob
Member since Nov 2010
7074 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:40 am to
Maybe I’m an idiot and this doesn’t matter but I’ve avoided stainless. Don’t want the sun to hit it just right and for the deer to see it.
Posted by LSUMurse
Metairie, LA
Member since May 2008
352 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:46 am to
Thanks all for the quick replies. I knew I could count on y’all.
Posted by Cump11b
Member since Sep 2018
2026 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:52 am to
quote:

.308 be ok for elk?


You can, but I would not recommend as you cannot load heavier bullets (200 grain and above) in this cartridge, even though the ballistics of a .308WIN and a 30-06 are basically the same.

quote:

Would a 30-06 Springfield be too big for hog?


Hell NO!!!! Kill as many as you can.

quote:

Weatherby Vanguard Series 2


Generally, these are good rifles. The stainless is nice, but it can still rust if you do not take care of it. I would save the 150 bucks unless you really like the aesthetics of it.

I have both calibers and, as stated above, the ballistics are basically the same between them. One of the biggest advantages you get with a 30-06 is the ability to load 200 grain and heavier projectiles, which are ideal for elk since they have thick skin.
Posted by Boat Motor Bandit
Member since Jun 2016
1891 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:06 am to
Not a fan of stainless other than it does look good with some stock combinations. My issue is medium and long distance shooting. I have had two and sold both for the same issue. Stainless does not have predictable flex and is very temperature sensitive to that lack of flex. A cold bore shot and a 3rd shot can be considerably off at over 200 yds. A steel blued barrel in a floating stock has that predictable flex and as heat rises you can almost predict where the bullet will move because it is consistent if you have shot enough to notice. My first stainless wouldn't hold a 4 inch group at 250 yds on a warm barrel. Cold it was good to go. Over time heating and cooling the stainless barrel I noticed more and more bullet drift on same zero. and that drift was un predictable from a 30 degree day to a 75 degree day at 200 yds sometimes as much as 4 inches. Second stainless was a 25-06 and I cold bore zeroed the gun over about a weeks time. I did this because of past learnings. Well one day we deicded to do some shooting and I put about a box thru the gun in less an hour. As it heated bullets sprayed the target with no consistency. I expected it as I had dealt with it before. Week later I pick it up and zero is significantly off. I cold bore it again. Took about a week. Never got it put a one inch group together at 100 after I heated the barrel like that. Out at 200yds it became unpredictable even on cold barrel. I sold it as well and have since never bought another stainless rifle.
Posted by Chief0218
Minneapolis
Member since Apr 2016
369 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:12 am to
Either caliber will do what you’re wanting, but one will do it with a tad less recoil. You won’t notice the difference with an animal, but you will when you’re practicing. .308 should be a little easier on the shoulder (not that a 30-06 is horrible). Generally speaking, the .308 typically comes in a lighter and shorter rifle, which will make for a better experience carrying one for miles at a time while stalking elk through the back country. Maybe in the 60s you needed a 200gr bullet to reliably kill elk, but with today’s bullet technology that’s not necessary. Randy Newberg breaks it down for elk calibers in this video. Randy Newberg Elk Caliber

As far as stainless vs blue goes. That’s all personal preference. I own both and never had a problem with either. The deer haven’t been able to tell much of a difference. Good luck. Congrats on the new gun and hunting opportunity!
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17314 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:18 am to
For what you are talking about doing around here (Deer hog) anything you have mentioned plus dozens more would be more than sufficient and stainless is nice but surly not needed

for hunting in Alaska, I would strongly recommend stainless, the weather is unrelenting and that is one less thing to have to worry about

elk hunting in Alaska, it can be done but so many better places to hunt elk, if my memory serves me correctly there is a very small herd of elk on one Island in Alaska (Roosevelt Elk?) that were transplanted there, and only ~50 killed per year, go to alaska and go after a moose, bear, caribou, sheep or something else, go to the Rockies for an ELk
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 9:22 am
Posted by Melvin Spellvin
proud dad of 2 A&M honor grads
Member since Jul 2015
1676 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:24 am to
30-06 offers a wide range of rounds and bullet weights that you can use to match your hunting situation and animal, not sexy by today's standards but gets the job done every time...
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5741 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:33 am to
Not much elk hunting in Alaska, but we’ll deal with that later.
The .308 is a short action caliber. It can come in a rifle that is more compact than the .30-06. Only get the .308 if you are getting it in a compact rifle.
The .30-06 does perform better than the .308 becasue it is burning more powder to push the same bullet. Will most hunters see the difference in the field? No.
My 82 year old Dad was a bit disappointed last season. He had shot a buck with his ‘06 that ran off a few yards. The last ten or so had dropped immediately. Son killed a couple of truck loads of deer with a .308 in Ruger Compact as a kid. It is one fine round.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7826 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:51 am to
Stainless is usually more accurate but in a factory tube it's almost neglible. Personal preference.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:51 am to
The caliber question is easy. .308 is good for elk, .30-06 is a little bit better. Theyre very close on paper with the 06 being able to sling slightly heavier bullets at the cost of slightly more recoil. No caliber is too big for hogs.

Stainless is a personal choice. Do you see yourself hunting in the rain and not being diligent about taking care of your gun? If so stainless is worth it. If you want a pretty rifle and you'll take good care of it than blue/wood is fine. It just requires a wipe down after a rainy hunt.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
48958 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

possibility of making an elk hunt in Alaska
You realize that there aren't many elk opportunities in Alaska right?

They only live on two islands (I believe) and it is considered one of the hardest, non sheep/goat, hunts in North America
Posted by will1883
Vicksburg, MS
Member since Jan 2010
364 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:05 pm to
I think it is worth the extra $150, but I guess it just depends on how often and where you’ll be hunting. I would worry more about rust prevention than I would a deer seeing your stainless barrel. My guns get used frequently during the season and I’ll hunt in muddy and wet conditions. Definitely worth it. Also, check out the cerakote and Birdsong’s Black T coating for other rust prevention alternatives.
Posted by Rockbrc
Attic
Member since Nov 2015
7992 posts
Posted on 11/15/18 at 12:02 am to
30-06
Posted by TheNolaClap
Jersey Shore (not fist pump)
Member since Jun 2012
1493 posts
Posted on 11/15/18 at 8:03 am to
I would go with stainless 30-06. You can always get a quick cerakote job if you don't like the look, but stainless on the inside is what matters.
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