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Would there be an Israel without the holocaust?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:14 pm
I've often heard the formation of Israel in its current form (as created in the 1940s) was a direct result of the death of so many millions of Jews in the holocaust.
1) Do you agree with this statement?
2) What other circumstances could have led to Israel's creation?
1) Do you agree with this statement?
2) What other circumstances could have led to Israel's creation?
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:15 pm to ClientNumber9
Zionism was going on well before then but no I don’t think there would be an Israel without not just the Holocaust but the World Wars in general.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:15 pm to ClientNumber9
No because they all lived in Europe.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:17 pm to ClientNumber9
Oh gee I wonder what direction this thread is headed 
Posted on 11/12/18 at 12:02 am to ClientNumber9
In b4 the Jooooo haters.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 12:22 am to ClientNumber9
quote:
1) Do you agree with this statement?
No. Israel would still exist. The push for a Jewish state started decades before. Maps for Israel were drawn well before the Holocaust.
quote:
2) What other circumstances could have led to Israel's creation?
The desire of the richest family in the world and other rich bankers/industrialists that use the monetary system to control politicians and governments.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:21 am to ClientNumber9
The fall of the Ottoman Empire had a lot to do with it as well.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:23 am to ClientNumber9
No, we wouldn’t be guilt-tripped into protecting them and they wouldn’t have moved without backup.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 4:16 am to ClientNumber9
We should have given them Florida instead.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:05 am to ClientNumber9
quote:
Would there be an Israel without the holocaust?
Yes, because it was God's will that Israel become a country again and was foreordained.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:30 am to ClientNumber9
Even without a Final Solution for the Jewish Question on the part of Germany, the devastation in Eastern Europe, anti-Jewish policies in Western Europe and Stalin's turn on the Trotskyites and his own Jewish population may have spurred enough immigration to Palestine, but I think the holocaust was key in garnering American and English support to create the country as it is today.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:33 am to ClientNumber9
No.
Israel was placed where it is today to punish the Arab nations for their alliance with the Axis powers.
Israel was placed where it is today to punish the Arab nations for their alliance with the Axis powers.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:42 am to ClientNumber9
.The 1923 Palestine Mandate by which Britain was ruling the area provided for establishment of a Jewish Homeland from part of the territory, but Britain was not getting in any hurry to fulfill the Mandate. The Holocaust is the event that finally brought it about. A WW2 without a Holocaust may not have been enough, given the anti-Semitic forces in opposition to establishing a Jewish State.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 7:49 am
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:56 am to Tantal
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In b4 the Jooooo haters
Accused of being a nazi by a guy who associates with literal brownshirts?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:14 am to mauser
We should have given them Florida instead.
The Jews weren't GIVEN anything. They bought the land from the Arabs.
We didn't GIVE them anything in Florida either, they bought parts of Florida same as anybody else with the money to do so.
The Jews weren't GIVEN anything. They bought the land from the Arabs.
We didn't GIVE them anything in Florida either, they bought parts of Florida same as anybody else with the money to do so.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:16 am to ClientNumber9
seems like we could’ve picked a better place for them instead of a place surrounded by people that hate them.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:25 am to ClientNumber9
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:45 am to ClientNumber9
Was foretold in scripture.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:24 am to ClientNumber9
Yes. But look at what happened to displaced Jews in Europe after the war. Many were living in camps. Read exodus.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:44 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Israel was placed where it is today to punish the Arab nations for their alliance with the Axis powers.
By Arab nations you must mean Palestine, which had nothing to do with WWII since it was occupied by a British mandate. And obviously the British were keen to let the Jews in, as evidenced by their opposition to additional immigration after WWII.
Lobotomy is an appropriate screen name.
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