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SO - what is wrong with Europe having its own military?
Posted on 11/10/18 at 4:17 am
Posted on 11/10/18 at 4:17 am
This is my first disagreement with Trump's foreign policy - and admittedly there may be a lot more to this than the title suggests.
BUT - we have been their military arm for decades now - at great expense. I think it may be time for them to provide their own defense, and just be their big-brother ally - seems to work well for Israel.
Why is Trump opposing this idea>???
BUT - we have been their military arm for decades now - at great expense. I think it may be time for them to provide their own defense, and just be their big-brother ally - seems to work well for Israel.
Why is Trump opposing this idea>???
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 4:20 am to ChineseBandit58
cause he thought they'd cut us a huge check before they'd have a military. huge check means we get paid and still control them. this pushes Europe further down the path of non US reliance which historically has been a very bloody path for them
Posted on 11/10/18 at 4:26 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:I don’t even think we should commit to this. As long as they know we’ll come running to the rescue every time there’s trouble they won’t commit to building a real military. If we cut them off completely we can sit back and laugh as they have their little arms race and are forced to cut back on all their silly social programs that only exist because we’ve provided their defense and security for the past 3 generations.
and just be their big-brother ally
Posted on 11/10/18 at 5:34 am to ChineseBandit58
They should totally go for it......our military should be home by Christmas. Let them grow some nuts and protect themself, it might help them realize how much the big meanie America has done for them.
Frick them. Stop finding these p****ys.
Frick them. Stop finding these p****ys.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 5:48 am to ChineseBandit58
I would assume it’s because the Eastern Europeans have said a European army would be a way to force them to follow what Germany orders.
Other than that I don’t care.
Other than that I don’t care.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 5:50 am to ChineseBandit58
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SO - what is wrong with Europe having its own military?
You've never studied history, have you?
Posted on 11/10/18 at 6:58 am to ChineseBandit58
I believe trump was more offended by them lumping is in with China and Russia as threats. That is some us leftist level bullshite and highly offensive given what we have done for them. I knew Europe is run by morons, just not that intense a flavor of stupidity.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 6:58 am to ChineseBandit58
Trump's remarks were in relation to what Macron said. Macron said Europe needs a military to counter the U.S., Russia and China. Macron threw us in there with Russia and China.
I don't think Trump has any problem in principle with Europe putting more focus into their own defense.
I don't think Trump has any problem in principle with Europe putting more focus into their own defense.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 7:32 am to ChineseBandit58
It’s an idle threat. They can’t spend 2% for a suplimental Army in NATO. They can’t pay for a real army and all their socialist crap as well.
The threat of EU Army was a swipe at the US and Trump
The threat of EU Army was a swipe at the US and Trump
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:30 am to ChineseBandit58
So, you think the Belgians and the Dutch will get along? Hell, I've been reading fascinating accounts of WWII Axis prisoners kept in US camps for the duration. The Germans didn't even get along with the Germans. We had to identify the upper class and lower class and keep them separated.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:30 am to ChineseBandit58
A single army made up of forces from different countries is a terrible idea that will only fail eventually. Each country should be building there own defense force - allies can work together after this has happened. These allies will never be a static situation, which is as it should be. No one country will ever be content to continually follow the bidding of another - forcing them together to ensure this is a recipe for disaster. The EU itself is coming apart - how in the hell does anyone expect a unified army to succeed?
ETA: The more that I think about it, the more I hope they try this asinine concept. The ensuing arguments over sharing of military resources, leadership control, fiscal responsibilities, etc alone will be enough to drive people away from the Globalist fantasy in droves.
ETA: The more that I think about it, the more I hope they try this asinine concept. The ensuing arguments over sharing of military resources, leadership control, fiscal responsibilities, etc alone will be enough to drive people away from the Globalist fantasy in droves.
This post was edited on 11/10/18 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:36 am to ChineseBandit58
I would rather Israel be a part of NATO than the amount of money and technology we subsidize them with.
This post was edited on 11/10/18 at 11:39 am
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:37 am to ChineseBandit58
There’s nothing “wrong with it”. But it’s impractical and will never happen in the manner it’s being portrayed.
NATO as an organization is in direct conflict with a standing EU army replacing individual nations.
Not to mention, there are EU nations not in NATO and vice versa. Way too big of a mess. Besides, zero of the countries in the EU are giving up their new F-35’s or their aircraft carriers to the European Council.
Every nation in Europe with a relevant military force already recieves mutual defense via NATO, except Switzerland, Austria, and Sweden.
NATO as an organization is in direct conflict with a standing EU army replacing individual nations.
Not to mention, there are EU nations not in NATO and vice versa. Way too big of a mess. Besides, zero of the countries in the EU are giving up their new F-35’s or their aircraft carriers to the European Council.
Every nation in Europe with a relevant military force already recieves mutual defense via NATO, except Switzerland, Austria, and Sweden.
This post was edited on 11/10/18 at 11:41 am
Posted on 11/10/18 at 12:37 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
Why is Trump opposing this idea>???
Because he believes in american imperialism
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