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Why Property Is Theft and Why It Matters

Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:36 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:36 pm
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The correct answer to this question, reached by Proudhon but not Locke, is that the only way to move from universal common ownership to individual private ownership is through theft. When an individual appropriates pieces of the earth (e.g. land) out of the commons and into private ownership, that individual steals from everyone else.


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Somehow (regardless of how its justified), individuals are permitted to appropriate pieces of the world privately. The upshot of such appropriation is that everyone else’s previously-existing ability to access and use the appropriated piece of the world is stolen from them without their consent. Those who do not go along with having their access and use stolen from them are met with violence. This is theft. Access and use, both valuable things, are taken from people at the barrel of a gun.


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The reason I bring up the fact that property is theft is because most actually-existing libertarian arguments are premised upon the idea that so-called laissez-faire capitalism is somehow voluntary and liberty-respecting. It is, of course, neither. The institutions that make up laissez-faire capitalism, the institution of private property especially, are imposed involuntarily on populations whether they want them or not. And to the extent that such involuntary impositions are enforced by violently attacking other human beings when they don’t comply, they are liberty-infringing.


saw this discussion on FB after reading the comments to this pic

Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:38 pm to
Cute
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:38 pm to
I hate paying rent too!
Posted by CommoDawg
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:39 pm to
Cool you found some wack jobs on the internet. Congrats.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:39 pm to
What are they arguing in the pic you posted? Capitalism is bad? Government welfare is bad?
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:40 pm to
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Cool you found some wack jobs on the internet.

It looks like he’s found 2
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 7:41 pm
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:40 pm to
What a fricking retard. They think they can live in a structure built and owned by someone else for free?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58173 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:40 pm to
So lefties are now fine with people squatting in thier homes and on thier property?
Posted by CoachMoorGut
Member since Sep 2018
725 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:41 pm to
It always amuses me the people who complain about "rent for existing". Perhaps when they grow up they'll figure out about property taxes.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423375 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:41 pm to
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What are they arguing in the pic you posted?

they believe in the elimination of private property, but especially housing...

...because they all moved to coastal cities and drove the demand up and killed supply, causing rents to raise
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68172 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:41 pm to
"gender is not sex

property is theft

marriage is not a man and a woman"


how many words and terms are they going to redefine in order to meet their utopian vision ?



Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19566 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:41 pm to
There are crazy people everywhere. What’s hilarious about this brand of crazy people is that it’s exactly their crazy beliefs that get them evicted, beaten, shot, and jailed.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423375 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:42 pm to
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It always amuses me the people who complain about "rent for existing". Perhaps when they grow up they'll figure out about property taxes.




Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:42 pm to
What about cars and food and clothes? Can I own them or is that in the public domain as well?
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19566 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:43 pm to
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So lefties are now fine with people squatting in thier homes and on thier property?


No, as in all things that come from the left, it’s not meant to apply to leftists.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423375 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:43 pm to
quote:

There are crazy people everywhere. What’s hilarious about this brand of crazy people is that it’s exactly their crazy beliefs that get them evicted, beaten, shot, and jailed.


Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80390 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:45 pm to
I vote we seize Madagascar and raze any infrastructure and remnants of human existence and offer internet libertarians a one way ticket.

Keep a satellite and drones over it and sell it as reality TV.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:45 pm to
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they believe in the elimination of private property, but especially housing...

...because they all moved to coastal cities and drove the demand up and killed supply, causing rents to raise




Oh, ok. I got it.

Their argument was so retarded that I couldn't follow.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18651 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:46 pm to
I honestly can understand what they're getting at if we're talking about just land, but these people want fricking housing for free. They want people who work for money and property to have their money and property taken from them and given away to people not out of need or because they're on hard times but just because they think they're entitled to free shite. frick em.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 7:47 pm to
That article triggered me. I went from chuckling, to rage, to REEEEEEE and back to laughing.

The article didn’t progress like that, I just went through different layers of disbelief.
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