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Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:04 pm to cahoots
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:04 pm to cahoots
quote:My bad. That changes everything I just said. Just over half a percent of all votes go to the great state of Wyoming while a full 10% goes to California. Californians should be protesting the unfair advantage that Wyoming gets.
0.6%
You need to work on your understanding of percentages
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:05 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
But it's just not fffffaaaaair.
The funny thing is that the small states are the ones crying about fairness. You want more power concentrated in the hands of the few. The neglected. The poor souls living in middle america.
I want things flat. Like a flat tax. FLAT VOTE
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:06 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
My bad. That changes everything I just said. Just over half a percent of all votes go to the great state of Wyoming while a full 10% goes to California. Californians should be protesting the unfair advantage that Wyoming gets.
Yes, because WY voters get 4x as much power.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:12 pm to cahoots
The electoral college allows smaller states with similar resources, cultures, etc. to essentially band together to form a voting bloc. Wyoming gets 3 votes by itself, which is nothing. But Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas together have 16 between them, which is the same number that Georgia has by itself. Add in Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, and the Midwest as a whole now has quite a bit of clout.
It's also why you count all the states rather than determine an election based on one big state or one small state and what they want. They contribute to what all the states have to say.
It's also why you count all the states rather than determine an election based on one big state or one small state and what they want. They contribute to what all the states have to say.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:12 pm to cahoots
quote:Then you can't use corn subsidies as an example, if you advocate unequal Congressional representation.
My logic is that they already get unequal representation in Congress, so that should be enough. But noooo, need more power!
As far as presidential power... the president is an executive of the people, not a representative. Once again your claimed desire contradicts your advocacy.
quote:No one has advocated for increasing the common number base (2) for the EC.
But noooo, need more power!
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:15 pm to cahoots
quote:And rightly so. As I've shown the equal representation (2) is mathematically far too low.
The funny thing is that the small states are the ones crying about fairness.
quote:
I want things flat. Like a flat tax.
checks out.Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:15 pm to FooManChoo
quote:Pfffft. "Those people" dont' really count. There's not that many of them. Ya know, kinda like the Jews.
Wyoming gets 3 votes by itself, which is nothing. But Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas together have 16 between them, which is the same number that Georgia has by itself. Add in Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, and the Midwest as a whole now has quite a bit of clout.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:15 pm to Taxing Authority
Can we delete this thread please? Cahoots is a shill. This is a horseshite Hegelian tactic. You're not going to change her mind. The idea is since we're "having the debate" something now has to be done, some compromise. frick you, go away
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:16 pm to cahoots
quote:No, they don't. There is no "voting power". There is only votes. One vote in Wyoming counts the same as one vote in California in determining each state's electoral votes.
Yes, because WY voters get 4x as much power.
We are a nation of states, not simply individuals. If you move to a national popular vote, the states then have absolutely no say in who the President of the United States is.
Right now, both the individual and the state has a say in the final outcome. If you move to a NPV, the states are removed from the picture, which is against the intentions of how our government was created. We are a coalition of individual states, not just a mass of individuals.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:21 pm to cahoots
quote:
there is no reason to intentionally create a system that biases the election and therefore national policy towards small states
So you just want to bias the election and therefore national policy towards 2 or 3 large cities...makes sense.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:23 pm to cahoots
quote:
Yes, because WY voters get 4x as much power.
# of EC Votes
Wyoming = 3
California = 55
Yeah that adds up...
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:27 pm to BugAC
quote:But maths...
# of EC Votes
Wyoming = 3
California = 55
Yeah that adds up...
Right now, my vote is more powerful (to use that nonsensical paradigm) in terms of counting towards just my state's electors than it would be voting directly for the President with everyone else in the country. Instead of one vote in 5.5 million, I'll be one vote in nearly 330 million (assuming everyone in the country were able to cast a vote).
Suddenly my civic voice gets a lot smaller.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:27 pm to BugAC
quote:
# of EC Votes
Wyoming = 3
California = 55
Yeah that adds up...
3 / 580,000 people = X * 55 / 40,000,000
X = about 4
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:29 pm to BugAC
quote:
So you just want to bias the election and therefore national policy towards 2 or 3 large cities...makes sense.
Given the choice? Yes, I'd rather more Americans engaged than less.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:30 pm to cahoots
quote:
I'd rather more Americans engaged than less.
Liar.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:30 pm to genro
quote:
Can we delete this thread please? Cahoots is a shill. This is a horseshite Hegelian tactic. You're not going to change her mind. The idea is since we're "having the debate" something now has to be done, some compromise. frick you, go away
Hey donald trump hates the EC too. I'm on his side. Don't playa hate!
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:31 pm to cahoots
A straight popular vote would focus power, prosperity, and the nation's well being in the sole hands of a handful of huge states and eventually lead to the breakup of the Republic. We are a nation of states who agreed to join under certain conditions. Among them the president being elected by a plurality of votes in the electoral college. And now that some states find they could grab ultimate power they want to change the rules and the rule of law and constitution. People have decided voluntarily to live and invest in smaller states under the previous concept so now what is their next move? Disband and then rejoin the union after striking down the borders of about 15 regional states and become one giant state and give out free land to anyone living in Ca/NY/or Florida? Declare themselves a sanctuary and import millions of immigrants? No what is going to happen is the Dems will likely get the presidency back after Trump and decide everything is lovely.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:32 pm to jimdog
quote:
No what is going to happen is the Dems will likely get the presidency back after Trump and decide everything is lovely.
Kinda like how DJT hated the electoral college until he won because of it?
Doesn't change my opinion. The EC is dumb no matter who wins
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:35 pm to cahoots
quote:
3 / 580,000 people = X * 55 / 40,000,000 X = about 4
Maybe i'm missing something, but is the 3/5 compromise still in effect in California? Last time I checked, 1 vote = 1 vote.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:35 pm to cahoots
quote:
Don't playa hate!
:cringe:
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