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It’s equivalent to people thinking their votes doesn’t count and therefore not showing up. It’s not coincidence bro

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Now you’ve changed your argument from “votes don’t count” to “people’s perception that their votes don’t count.”

As I said before the electoral college doesn’t benefit rural voters. It benefits rural voters in certain states with low populations. It does nothing for small town folks in Texas or New York. That’s the reality.

if the EC goes away you give up all protections of our civil liberty. By placing our elections in the hands of the majority they can simply demand from the next candidates any ridiculous payback for their vote. What would be the option then if say the big cities demanded that small farm states start providing a portion of their crops free to the masses?

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Now you’ve changed your argument from “votes don’t count” to “people’s perception that their votes don’t count.”

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Nope. Votes count for less in some states. Anddd the perception can be even less too if it’s heavily red or blue. Not mutually exclusive

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I’m talking about redrawing the entire electoral college, not based on state lines at all. Based on county.

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The entire basis of the EC is maintain state power over the federal government. Like I said, you fundamentally misunderstand the EC.

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Nope. Votes count for less in some states.

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Only in a national popular vote sense which we don’t have and never had. And you originally said that votes don’t count as much in swing states. So you’ve changed your argument again.

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Anddd the perception can be even less too if it’s heavily red or blue. Not mutually exclusive

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Perception is irrelevant.

Liberals hate the Constitution

I didn’t feel like 223 downvotes was enough.

So, I gave you another.

The reason for the EC is to keep the POTUS office from being popularly decided. It has little to do with state power. The Senate was created to preserve the power of the states in the legislative process.

Beginning in the 1820s, the move away from what the FF's wanted was slow but steady. It was the movement toward popular control as "We, the people..." suggests. It began with some states allowing their Electors to be decided by a popular vote. By the 1850s every state did that. The EC the FF's envisioned was a goner by the 1850s.

After the CWar, slowly but surely some states began allowing their voters to directly elect US Senators instead of the corrupt state legislatures of those days. in 1913, the 17th Amendment spread that practice to all the states.

The trend in our history has been, for almost 200 years, toward democratization of our election process and legislative bodies. The EC won't be around in another 100 years. I am sorry I wont be there to see it abolished.

To the folks who suggest that, with no EC, the election would boil down to 8 cities votes. You are wrong. WITH the EC our election boils down to 8 close/swing states. The rest of us who live elsewhere have little input into what issues the campaign is fought on and what positions the candidates take. With no EC, every vote in every state would count exactly the same.

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3 / 580,000 people = X * 55 / 40,000,000

X = about 4

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