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re: does legalization increase mj usage

Posted on 9/15/18 at 1:02 pm to
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9545 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 1:02 pm to
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This is ignorant, the government doesn't dictate what you can consume. The people elect representatives to vote on their behalf. 



Tha frick are you saying?

Would it make more sense if I said people are so brainwashed that they elect people who vote for the government to dictate what they can consume?

Cover up, your bias is showing...


ETA: I'm even pretty sure that if the federal government decriminalized MJ and left the vote up to the states, you can bet your biased arse that at least 2/3 of the states would vote to legalize.

Even more if it was a popular vote and not each state government.
This post was edited on 9/15/18 at 1:06 pm
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41291 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 1:19 pm to
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If MJ were to become federally legal, could employers still not hire on the basis of a failed drug test?


if the federal government decriminalizes, it would then depend on state law
Posted by BruceJender
Houston
Member since Dec 2016
621 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 1:22 pm to
Right. I completely understand that. I don’t have any problem with someone being fired for being intoxicated on the job, legal or not. But if marijuana is as legal as alcohol, why can you be penalized for doing a legal thing on your own time?
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
35764 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

If MJ were to become federally legal, could employers still not hire on the basis of a failed drug test?


if the federal government decriminalizes, it would then depend on state law


Employers will ALWAYS have their rights.

Plenty of employers don't test now and it's illegal on the federal level.
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
13412 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 1:27 pm to
Ky law makers are debating making med mj legal.
An expert said there is no proof of medicinal benefits of mj
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
28669 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 1:28 pm to
It absolutely increases usage not only more being smoked by the individual but also lots more people using it.

Decriminalize. Don't legalize is my gut instinct.
This post was edited on 9/15/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted by kool_keef
IL
Member since Dec 2014
16 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 1:41 pm to
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An expert said there is no proof of medicinal benefits of mj


Easy to say that of any substance that the govt prohibits research on.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
31161 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 2:08 pm to
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But if marijuana is as legal as alcohol, why can you be penalized for doing a legal thing on your own time?




I don’t disagree with that, I suspect the acceptable levels would change if MJ were federally legal to account for that. But those numbers are federally mandated for dot test panels
Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
7877 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 2:41 pm to
Not if your job test for it.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
8836 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 2:46 pm to
Friends thought their son was going to set the world afire: smart, worked hard in college and on the job.

Fast forward.

Son moved to Denver, works as a waiter and smokes a lot.

In his late 20s shows no signs of making any plans for his future.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9545 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 3:06 pm to
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Friends thought their son was going to set the world afire: smart, worked hard in college and on the job. 

Fast forward. 

Son moved to Denver, works as a waiter and smokes a lot. 

In his late 20s shows no signs of making any plans for his future.


Ok?

So is this your argument for keeping it illegal? Because big brother government knows what's best for everyone?
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

Friends thought their son was going to set the world afire: smart, worked hard in college and on the job.

Fast forward.

Son moved to Denver, works as a waiter and smokes a lot.

In his late 20s shows no signs of making any plans for his future.



Pro mj people don't want to accept the facts, but this is 100% true in every situation I've seen.
quote:

Drug abusers are more likely to become sick or injured, are less productive, can be more distracting to co-workers, have increased absenteeism, and can be a danger to themselves or others. Maintaining a drug-free workplace is important for the safety, health, and productivity of all employees.



LINK
This post was edited on 9/15/18 at 4:24 pm
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9545 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 4:34 pm to
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Pro mj people don't want to accept the facts, but this is 100% true in every situation I've seen. 


Again... so this should be the basis for legalization?

Why not make Little Debbie illegal as well? You know how many people get fat off their snack cakes?
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 4:37 pm to
My take, if there would be a way to test right there, then and now, legalize it. Till then, hell no. There should be no way a person should show up at work stoned. Not much difference from someone showing up drinking.

On a side note. I put my time in work, retired and I think at my age it would help me take a bunch of daily pains away. Problem here, don't know were I could score some.
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 4:38 pm to
quote:

Again... so this should be the basis for legalization


No employment. The OP asked if usage would go up if legalized. I don't think so based on employer drug testing. Most professionals I know wouldn't just start because it was now legal.
This post was edited on 9/15/18 at 4:41 pm
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 4:47 pm to
As a retired person that lives outside a small town, I would. Had smoked it before I went into the work force and didn't drink. Back in those days, it was the way to go. Haven't smoked it but one time in the last 40+ years after I retired.
Posted by Collegedropout
Where Northern Mexico meets Dixie
Member since May 2017
5202 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 4:56 pm to
No shite it increases usage. People go to Colorado just so they can get high without worrying about cops.
But somehow, I am supposed to believe this won’t be the case for other drugs.
Posted by Collegedropout
Where Northern Mexico meets Dixie
Member since May 2017
5202 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 4:57 pm to
Idk marijuana and tobacco is a pretty good combination
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 4:58 pm to
I was a teenager in the 80s
I wouldn't today if it were legal and I don't look down on anyone who would. I think it should be decriminalized though.
This post was edited on 9/15/18 at 5:01 pm
Posted by ZenFNmaster
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2532 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 6:31 pm to
Many employers are treating a marijuana only fail as a pass nowadays.
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