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re: LeBron James to co-produce HBO documentary on exploitative world of college sports
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:25 am to shel311
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:25 am to shel311
quote:
Sorry, I can't support Breast Cancer Awareness or ALS or any of that because i've never had those diseases.
There’s a difference between supporting those causes and being an executive director on a movie about breast cancer like you have some insight on what it’s like to have it
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:25 am to tduecen
My BIL almost has a down payment for a home from the money he got with his scholarship from Iowa state.
They get treated like royalty.
They get treated like royalty.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:26 am to TH03
quote:You could easily net 1k a month if you live off campus. Saw it done plenty of times
My BIL almost has a down payment for a home from the money he got with his scholarship from Iowa state.
They get treated like royalty.
Thats 48k after 4 years
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:30 am to CorporateTiger
A few thoughts:
1. The use of terms like "exploitation" and "denial of human rights" is really tone deaf and a huge turn-off to almost anyone who wasn't a big time pro or college athlete. The majority of people see scholarship athletes receiving food, housing, tuition, books, clothing, etc., and compare it to their situations of paying off student loans for decades.
2. The possible solution of allowing student athletes to profit off their own likenesses opens the door to the destruction of any kind of competitive balance. I promise you, the day after that decision is made, each and every player on the Alabama football team will be paid a ridiculous sum for appearing in a 30 second Bryant Bank ad, the Oklahoma State players will receive a year's salary for endorsing BP Capital management, and so on. Schools really will be outright buying players, and we need to think about whether we want that.
3. The other possible solution of just paying every basketball or football player a stipend raises serious Title IX issues. As I read it, it would be illegal to pay you Heisman winning QB a larger stipend than your backup girls soccer goalie. Can the Central Michigan's and Northwestern State's of the world afford to do that?
4. This problem stems from the fact that the most popular college sports teams as they are have nothing to do with the actual mission of the universities they represent. The mission of colleges and universities is supposed to be teaching and research, not providing entertainment for fans or a de facto minor league of professional sports. There's natural tension between athletic departments who are interested in winning and certain student-athletes who are only in college as a prelude to being a pro athlete on the one hand, and the academic side of the universities on the other.
1. The use of terms like "exploitation" and "denial of human rights" is really tone deaf and a huge turn-off to almost anyone who wasn't a big time pro or college athlete. The majority of people see scholarship athletes receiving food, housing, tuition, books, clothing, etc., and compare it to their situations of paying off student loans for decades.
2. The possible solution of allowing student athletes to profit off their own likenesses opens the door to the destruction of any kind of competitive balance. I promise you, the day after that decision is made, each and every player on the Alabama football team will be paid a ridiculous sum for appearing in a 30 second Bryant Bank ad, the Oklahoma State players will receive a year's salary for endorsing BP Capital management, and so on. Schools really will be outright buying players, and we need to think about whether we want that.
3. The other possible solution of just paying every basketball or football player a stipend raises serious Title IX issues. As I read it, it would be illegal to pay you Heisman winning QB a larger stipend than your backup girls soccer goalie. Can the Central Michigan's and Northwestern State's of the world afford to do that?
4. This problem stems from the fact that the most popular college sports teams as they are have nothing to do with the actual mission of the universities they represent. The mission of colleges and universities is supposed to be teaching and research, not providing entertainment for fans or a de facto minor league of professional sports. There's natural tension between athletic departments who are interested in winning and certain student-athletes who are only in college as a prelude to being a pro athlete on the one hand, and the academic side of the universities on the other.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:31 am to The Pirate King
quote:There's not, but ok.
There’s a difference between supporting those causes and being an executive director on a movie about breast cancer like you have some insight on what it’s like to have it
You're saying you can't champion a cause if you've never gone through whatever that thing is, and that is absurd.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:41 am to Chuck Barris
quote:So instead of them receiving money from bagmen. They'll receive it out in the open. This isn't a bad thing in my book.
2. The possible solution of allowing student athletes to profit off their own likenesses opens the door to the destruction of any kind of competitive balance. I promise you, the day after that decision is made, each and every player on the Alabama football team will be paid a ridiculous sum for appearing in a 30 second Bryant Bank ad, the Oklahoma State players will receive a year's salary for endorsing BP Capital management, and so on. Schools really will be outright buying players, and we need to think about whether we want that.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:42 am to shel311
quote:Well, assuming you spent at least four years at you college, you've earned around 90 credit hours and should have no school debts. If you haven't earned your degree by now, you're in a great position to do so. If you have to take a loan or work a scrappy job for a year to pay for any remaining time in college, then welcome to how the other 98% of students lived.
What if you were an all time star and made your university millions but you're not good enough to go pro, how are you setting yourself up for life, exactly?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:51 am to shel311
quote:
Cool, so let's start paying coaches and ADs with free meals and boarding then.
I love the absurdity of your argument.
You have a bunch of kids...most who couldnt hope to intellectually get into college being offered a FREE education.
and you're angry their parents arent being paid.
seriously. Remember, the education means more than the athletics, because as a former NCAA athlete...most of us are going in pro in something other than sports.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:53 am to TH03
quote:
My BIL almost has a down payment for a home from the money he got with his scholarship from Iowa state.
They get treated like royalty.
meanwhile SHel is melting down because their parents arent getting the equivalent of university funded Food Stamps.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 9:53 am
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:54 am to Chuck Barris
quote:So everyone else gets huge cuts of the millions upon millions while you get an education.
Well, assuming you spent at least four years at you college, you've earned around 90 credit hours and should have no school debts. If you haven't earned your degree by now, you're in a great position to do so. If you have to take a loan or work a scrappy job for a year to pay for any remaining time in college, then welcome to how the other 98% of students lived.
Makes perfect sense!!!
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:54 am to tduecen
quote:No one wants to hear it and it's basically impossible now that college sports are so ingrained in our culture, but this probably is the actual answer. Let the pro leagues run their own farm systems and keep institutions of education away from anything above intramurals.
Disband all college sports
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:54 am to CptBengal
quote:Bengal don't read good.
and you're angry their parents arent being paid.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:55 am to CptBengal
quote:Let me know when you get better at that whole reading comprehension thing.
meanwhile SHel is melting down because their parents arent getting the equivalent of university funded Food Stamps.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:06 am to Bench McElroy
So I guess whoever is next to make a documentary or does a investigative report on how corrupt the NCAA is, James will sue them.....
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:12 am to CorporateTiger
quote:
Again, the right to the profits of your labor is a human right.... no?
Serious question. If the company I work for makes a profit, am I entitled to a portion of that? And if I don’t get it, am I being denied a basic human right also?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:16 am to shel311
quote:Ok, so what's your proposal for an equitable distribution? If it's just "let athletes profit from their own image", then what happens to the third string tight end at Kansas, for example? His school is still making millions from the Big 12's TV contracts, but he doesn't have the star power to get endorsements. Are you cool with him earning nothing while a Heisman candidate makes bank in local car dealership endorsements, or do you want all scholarship athletes paid a flat rate in addition to everything they get right now?
So everyone else gets huge cuts of the millions upon millions while you get an education.
Makes perfect sense!!!
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:38 am to shel311
quote:
quote:
and you're angry their parents arent being paid.
Bengal don't read good.
it's ok.
you made the argument. Own it. it sounds just as stupid as you think it does.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:41 am to Chad504boy
quote:bc there are 20,000 of them
Why are high schools not under attack?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:42 am to CptBengal
Given that the Ohio High School Association ruled Lebron James ineligible for five games plus the playoffs in his senior year, maybe Lebron should put the HS in his crosshairs as well. After all, I’m sure we all can agree that St Vincent- St Mary’s profited off Lebron’s talents that year.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:44 am to LL012697
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Serious question. If the company I work for makes a profit, am I entitled to a portion of that? And if I don’t get it, am I being denied a basic human right also?
cant wait to hear either Shel or corporate weigh in on this one...
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