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re: LeBron James to co-produce HBO documentary on exploitative world of college sports

Posted on 6/12/18 at 8:59 am to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/12/18 at 8:59 am to
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This is pathetic.
It's factually correct, try to keep up

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I didn't realize getting an education meant somebody has to subsidize your parents
Cool, so let's start paying coaches and ADs with free meals and boarding then.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111147 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:01 am to
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Oh yeah, of course I would have had to quit school if I had to help my parents plus pay for everything to keep myself afloat. That or I take out substantial student loans in order to make ends meet.

So do they have everything they want or not?
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:01 am to
How can he be a champion of this if he has never stepped foot on a college campus before?

“This is so awful! I mean I never had any experience whatsoever with it, but it’s bad!”
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:01 am to
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Not what anyone would call a "basic" human right colloquially, no

I would call it a basic human right in this country.

Look at Donald De La Haye, who was kicked off of UCF for having a youtube page that made a profit. His page had absolutely nothing to do with the university. Yet, the NCAA and UCF found a way to drop the kid because he was making a small profit.

I can't wait for the NCAA to find a way to freak out over twitch.tv and games like fortnite. Where players have a few thousand ppl following them.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:02 am to
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Not what anyone would call a "basic" human right colloquially, no


John Locke would probably disagree. As well as most libertarian thinkers.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111147 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:04 am to
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How can he be a champion of this if he has never stepped foot on a college campus before?
What kind of logic is this?


Sorry, I can't support Breast Cancer Awareness or ALS or any of that because i've never had those diseases.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:05 am to
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John Locke would probably disagree. As well as most libertarian thinkers.

If the NCAA forced them to join their organization, or followed them after leaving their organization I would agree


But they arent. They arent denying them basic human rights. They just arent
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:05 am to
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So do they have everything they want or not?
Yes, they have everything they want regarding school... Now you want to argue they want more, I agree, everyone wants more. I wanted to earn more than the 6 bucks an hour Abercrombie paid me during that time as well.

Student-athletes will get no sympathy from me, they have more than most students and have it better off than many as well.

I would have loved the school to take care of my parents while I went to school, would have been lovely and pay me and give me meals for free and books and tuition and clothing and housing
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:06 am to
What I can't wait for is they start paying people, then football players get paid the most so other groups complain, so then they start paying equally and they have to shut sports down in order to fund everything and everyone. Ah
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:06 am to
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followed them after leaving their organization I would agree


They try to follow them after leaving school (Ex.Laremy Tunsil)
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:07 am to
The NCAA has done quite a bit to limit the other options for players to make money. I think it is funny to argue that especially for football players (the cash cows for Universities) there are other real options to continue their career.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111147 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:09 am to
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Yes, they have everything they want regarding school... Now you want to argue they want more, I agree, everyone wants more. I wanted to earn more than the 6 bucks an hour Abercrombie paid me during that time as well.

It's not that they want more, it's that they want to be paid differently, or more to the point, like everyone else.

Would you be cool with paying coaches in tuitiion, room and board, and meal vouchers and everything else you listed?

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I would have loved the school to take care of my parents while I went to school
ok yea, every athlete's parent is taken care of, that's where we've stooped to?

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would have been lovely and pay me
Except you don't get paid, and if you do in some cases, the FBI gets involved...who wouldn't love that!!!
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:10 am to
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What I can't wait for is they start paying people, then football players get paid the most so other groups complain, so then they start paying equally and they have to shut sports down in order to fund everything and everyone. Ah


Or we just do away with the NCAA and stop living in this fantasy world where we call them "student-athletes". College sports (Specifically CFB & CBB) would be much better if we treated this like an open market and stop using rules that go back to the 1950's.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111147 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:10 am to
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The NCAA has done quite a bit to limit the other options for players to make money. I think it is funny to argue that especially for football players (the cash cows for Universities) there are other real options to continue their career.
What's funny is those arguing everything is just fine do not realize we're operating under rules that were made something like 90 years ago.

And now the landscape of college athletics could not possibly be more different than they were then, but some think the rules should be the same.

There is no logic to that, none.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:10 am to
Look, I agree with yall they should be able to make money off of their likeness

But being a student athlete at LSU, and then hearing yall say they are denied "basic human rights", is something I will never agree with and it is utterly ridiculous to describe it as such

They are given a free education, free food, free housing, free clothes, free healthcare

THey simply arent allowed to make money off of their name/brand if they chose, repeat, if they chose to accept the scholarship

To call that "being denied your basic human rights" is so out of left field is crazy to me
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:12 am to
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What's funny is those arguing everything is just fine do not realize we're operating under rules that were made something like 90 years ago.

And now the landscape of college athletics could not possibly be more different than they were then, but some think the rules should be the same.

There is no logic to that, none.
I agree

However, I also think the dramatic potrayal of "like slavery", "denying basic human rights", hurts the side arguing for a change

People hear that and they shut down and dont hear the argument because it starts from such a place of ridiculousness
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:14 am to
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Would you be cool with paying coaches in tuitiion, room and board, and meal vouchers and everything else you listed?
Coaches get paid too much as is, so sure, I don't fricking care

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every athlete's parent is taken care of, that's where we've stooped to?
I think we both know if the University starts paying for one parent, everyone else is going to jump on that train and then you will have many who are wanting the same. You do one hand out, you do many.

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Except you don't get paid, and if you do in some cases, the FBI gets involved...who wouldn't love that!!!
Correct I got paid while there but I did not get half the free stuff they did, so therefore it worked out. I would have gladly traded working at the fricking mall to have free housing, books, tuition, meals, a stipend, etc. I would have taken every fricking walking class, jogging class, women lit class available.

Then I will take the exposure playing for a university gave me and go and make my money, money that will set me up for life.

If they pay them, then they should make them pay like any other college student. Seems fair
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:16 am to
Disband all college sports, I would be ok with that. It would lower tuition for all students and give universities a focus again.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111147 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:18 am to
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I think we both know if the University starts paying for one parent, everyone else is going to jump on that train and then you will have many who are wanting the same. You do one hand out, you do many.
Not sure what you're talking about with universities paying parents.

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Then I will take the exposure playing for a university gave me and go and make my money, money that will set me up for life.
What if you were an all time star and made your university millions but you're not good enough to go pro, how are you setting yourself up for life, exactly?

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If they pay them, then they should make them pay like any other college student. Seems fair
It isn't even that they should pay them, it is that they should be allowed to make money on their likeness however they see fit because the days of amateur athletics went out the window years and years ago.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 9:19 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:21 am to
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It isn't even that they should pay them, it is that they should be allowed to make money on their likeness however they see fit because the days of amateur athletics went out the window years and years ago.
I honestly feel like if "our side" stuck just to this argument, it would gain steam and come to fruition

But I think our logic gets lost on deaf ears because it gets drowned out by the "modern day slavery" and "denied basic rights" headlines
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