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Anthony Rizzo slide: Dirty or nah?
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:37 pm
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Rizzo took out the legs of Pirates catcher Elias Diaz in the eighth inning Monday on a force play at the plate, prompting Pittsburgh manager Clint Hurdle to call it "open season" on catchers.
Rizzo was easily out at home on the ground ball hit to shortstop Sean Rodriguez, but as Diaz turned to throw to first base for the double play, Rizzo slid into his legs before crossing home plate. Diaz's throw sailed into right field, allowing two runs to score.
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Major League Baseball reportedly has ruled umpires should have called interference on Chicago Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo when he slid into home plate and took out the leg of Pittsburgh Pirates catcher Elias Diaz on a slide on Monday. Jesse Rogers of ESPN Chicago reported MLB officials informed both teams Tuesday.
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:39 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Fine line between dirty or not. I don't think it was interference, I do think it is a bit dirty, and the MLB has now clarified that it should have been called interference (overruling the umpire crew and the replay official). I only think it is dirty because we have a new rule trying to prevent these types of plays though. The players seem kind of split on it.
I guess someone is going to get hit tonight.
I guess someone is going to get hit tonight.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:39 pm to Lsuhoohoo
As a cubs fan, I would say yes it was "dirty"
It wasnt egregious, but he absolutely slid out of his way to try and hit someones legs who wasnt even looking
It wasnt egregious, but he absolutely slid out of his way to try and hit someones legs who wasnt even looking
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:39 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Good hard play imo but MLB has outlawed that slide so it is what it is. He's not intentionally trying to hurt the guy.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:39 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Cubs fan here.....dirty AF.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:40 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Pirates have been pissy ever since Coghlan took out Kang a couple years back. Hurdle will probably have his pitchers throw at everyone tonight
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:40 pm to therick711
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I guess someone is going to get hit tonight.
Just keep it away from his head and we cool
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:40 pm to bwallcubfan
quote:Disagree. One thing to bust a catcher, or slide into a player who is looking at you
Good hard play imo
Not sure sliding into a guy with his head turned like that into the back of his leg would have ever been considered a "good hard play"
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:41 pm to Lsuhoohoo
It was dirty but nowhere near Chase Utley level dirty.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:42 pm to lsupride87
Joe Maddon and Sean Rodriguez both think it is a good hard baseball play. I have no idea. Its a slide and it barely clipped him. It affected the throw but didn't hurt him. Is that dirty? Probably a little. You know what else can hurt someone? Throwing baseballs at them like I expect the Pirates to do today.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:43 pm to bwallcubfan
20 years ago that's "good hard baseball that broke up the play". Now we've got the rules protecting catcher's that ultimately limits their ability to block the plate. So in this case, you've got Diaz vacating the plate and Rizzo deviates his path to go into him. If the catcher is limited by rule how they can block the plate, I suppose base runners should be restricted from going after them when they clear the plate.
It definitely should have been interference, I guess the debate is whether or not its dirty.
It definitely should have been interference, I guess the debate is whether or not its dirty.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:43 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Don't think he was trying to hurt him, but it was definitely interference. Horrible job by umps.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:44 pm to therick711
quote:Agreed
You know what else can hurt someone? Throwing baseballs at them
And even dirtier would be throwing at them when they arent even looking
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:44 pm to lsupride87
Guess it depends on what you mean by dirty. I think of dirty as intentionally trying to hurt a guy. I see it as just trying to break up a double play. I don't think we are disagreeing here. I just have an issue calling it "dirty" is all. We're really arguing semantics.
Glad the guy wasn't hurt.
Glad the guy wasn't hurt.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:45 pm to lsupride87
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Agreed
And even dirtier would be throwing at them when they arent even looking
Why are we talking about Ben Christensen, though?
In all seriousness, he knows Rizzo is there and is barreling down on him. The idea that he isn't looking doesn't do anything for me. If the third baseman is taking a throw from the catcher, he knows the runner is coming toward him even if he "isn't looking." Same thing here.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:45 pm to bwallcubfan
quote:I hear you
I think of dirty as intentionally trying to hurt a guy. I see it as just trying to break up a double play.
But if you try to slide into an unsuspected guy who isnt even looking, that has a high chance of hurting him
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:45 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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20 years ago that's "good hard baseball that broke up the play". Now we've got the rules protecting catcher's that ultimately limits their ability to block the plate. So in this case, you've got Diaz vacating the plate and Rizzo deviates his path to go into him. If the catcher is limited by rule how they can block the plate, I suppose base runners should be restricted from going after them when they clear the plate.
It definitely should have been interference, I guess the debate is whether or not its dirty.
I agree with all this.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:46 pm to lsupride87
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But if you try to slide into an unsuspected guy who isnt even looking, that has a high chance of hurting him
True and that's why the MLB has outlawed this....which is fine. I get it. Honestly shocked they didn't overturn it even after review.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:47 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Can anything within the rules be considered dirty?
He intentionally slid that way against league rules, it’s a dirty play
He intentionally slid that way against league rules, it’s a dirty play
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:48 pm to therick711
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Joe Maddon and Sean Rodriguez both think it is a good hard baseball play
Maddon’s reply struck me as really stupid.
His complaint was that it was turning the fans against his player. You’d have to be a pretty die-hard baseball guy to not have a problem with that play, IMO. The average fan of the team you do it too is going to hate it regardless of what anyone says about it.
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