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re: Anthony Rizzo slide: Dirty or nah?
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:48 pm to bwallcubfan
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:48 pm to bwallcubfan
Part of it too i think, is that you dont see a guy try to break up a dp at home plate nearly as often as you do at second base.
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:48 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Not dirty, as the home plate sliding rule to protect the catcher is generally thought of to avoid head on collisions, and not sliding, though im sure not many players are aware of the stipulation A runner may not run out of a direct line to the plate in order to initiate contact with the catcher, or any player, covering the plate.
This slide would be fine going into 2B and i can easily see Rizzo applying the same logic going into home as its not your typical "play at the plate"
This slide would be fine going into 2B and i can easily see Rizzo applying the same logic going into home as its not your typical "play at the plate"
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:49 pm to bwallcubfan
The only thing I really see wrong with it is that he comes off the base path to make the interference play. I thought they couldn't do that under the new rule. I guess I was wrong though.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:49 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Huh?
This slide would be fine going into 2B
He slid way off the plate man
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:50 pm to uway
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Maddon’s reply struck me as really stupid.
His complaint was that it was turning the fans against his player. You’d have to be a pretty die-hard baseball guy to not have a problem with that play, IMO. The average fan of the team you do it too is going to hate it regardless of what anyone says about it.
That wasn't the substance of his complaint. His complaint is the artificial (in his view) rule that changed the way the game was played for centuries. He's hated the rule since forever, too. As a former catcher, I think his perspective is interesting. It isn't just an opportunistic position, either. He's been against it since it was first promulgated.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:51 pm to therick711
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It isn't just a fortuitous position, either. He's been against it since it was first promulgated.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:51 pm to Lsuhoohoo
It was nothing compared to the one against San Diego last year that should have gotten him suspended.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:51 pm to lsupride87
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He slid way off the plate man
The rule is no deviation and you have to be able to reach the base/plate. The deviation thing is tough because there is always SOME deviation. The slide was apparently fine last night. Only today is it now thought to be interference. The whole point of centralized replay was consistency. So it is weird MLB is taking a new position on this.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:52 pm to SabiDojo
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The only thing I really see wrong with it is that he comes off the base path to make the interference play. I thought they couldn't do that under the new rule. I guess I was wrong though.
He does and they got the call wrong. MLB said they got it wrong today.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:53 pm to therick711
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The rule is no deviation and you have to be able to reach the base/plate
the rule also states this
quote:I dont see how one is still arguing this was legal with the new rule
he must slide “within reach of the base without changing his pathway for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder.”
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:55 pm to lsupride87
Fortuitous should have been opportunistic. My bad.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:56 pm to lsupride87
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I dont see how one is still arguing this was legal with the new rule
Because the call was made on the field that it was legal and upheld by review. I'm not sure we have anything better to argue from in that they literally reviewed it contemporaneously and found it legal.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:57 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Rizzo is gonna wear one in the rib area tonight
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:57 pm to therick711
quote:Thats cool, but I would just say they clearly got it wrong
Because the call was made on the field that it was legal and upheld by review. I'm not sure we have anything better to argue from in that they literally reviewed it contemporaneously and found it legal.
Rizzo obviously altered his route for the purpose of creating contact. That is against the new rule
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:57 pm to lsupride87
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He slid way off the plate man
His damn knee hit the plate!!! How is that "way off?"
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:57 pm to lsupride87
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Huh?
He slid way off the plate man
not denying that he slid off the plate, though it wasn't way off; his right leg almost comes across the plate.
I am saying going into 2nd you could probably get away with that with the way it is set up. It looks a lot worse coming into home but in the players mind prob isnt much different
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:58 pm to SaturdayTraditions
quote:Did he alter his route for the purpose of creating contact?
His damn knee hit the plate!!! How is that "way off?"
Yes or no?
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:59 pm to Lester Earl
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I am saying going into 2nd you could probably get away with that with the way it is set up. It looks a lot worse coming into home but in the players mind prob isnt much different
I see your point Yes it does look worse because of the angle the catcher takes than it would on second base
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:59 pm to Lester Earl
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The problem wasn't where he slid. If it was interference, it was because of a finding that he "deviated." He's within reach which makes the play legal in terms of the location of the slide.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 3:59 pm to lsupride87
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Did he alter his route for the purpose of creating contact? Yes or no?
YES... but that's not what you said... you said "He slid way off the plate man." Don't change your argument now. His knee hit the plate, so therefore, even with the deviation... he did not "Slid(e) way off the plate."
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