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re: Anthony Rizzo slide: Dirty or nah?
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:00 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:00 pm to SabiDojo
quote:You werent wrong
The only thing I really see wrong with it is that he comes off the base path to make the interference play. I thought they couldn't do that under the new rule. I guess I was wrong though.
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:00 pm to Lsuhoohoo
No that was not dirty
Just good hard nosed baserunning
Just good hard nosed baserunning
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:01 pm to SaturdayTraditions
quote:I wont
"He slid way off the plate man." Don't change your argument now.
His knee grazes the tip of the plate closest to the infield
I should have said "He slid way off where he would slide if not purposely trying to make contact"
But correct you are, the part of the rule he broke was the deviation
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:05 pm to lsupride87
Also, this is a good proof of how angles can change things
Pirates fan angle
Cubs fan angle
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Neutral angle
Pirates fan angle
Cubs fan angle
Neutral angle
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:05 pm to lsupride87
Even the deviation was iffy, which explains why it was upheld contemporaneously. It is the best argument for interference, though.
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He gets on that path pretty early. I still think it is a bit dirty and not interference. I think MLB wants the play totally out of the game. That's why they made the correction today.
He gets on that path pretty early. I still think it is a bit dirty and not interference. I think MLB wants the play totally out of the game. That's why they made the correction today.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:07 pm to therick711
new rule that should definitely have been interference. it wasnt dirty tho IMO, he didnt do it with intent to injure
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:08 pm to therick711
In that last picture you posted he is on the line and at the middle of the plate
By the time he slides is well inside the line and makes contact with the very tip of the plate
I find deviation very easy to see here
By the time he slides is well inside the line and makes contact with the very tip of the plate
I find deviation very easy to see here
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:08 pm to therick711
I think it is within the rules a dirty as hell, which is the best kind of dirty slide. The catcher cleared out enough that he should be able to make a throw unmolested. instead of looking at rizzo, look at the catcher. He should be an area where he will not be hit by the runner.
Rizzo made a slide at the catcher while still managing to stay close enough to the baseline to be legal. But his intent is pretty clear. The catcher was not hard to avoid.
Rizzo made a slide at the catcher while still managing to stay close enough to the baseline to be legal. But his intent is pretty clear. The catcher was not hard to avoid.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:10 pm to Baloo
quote:By definition of the new rule you are saying he broke it
Rizzo made a slide at the catcher while still managing to stay close enough to the baseline to be legal. [quote]But his intent is pretty clear. The catcher was not hard to avoid.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:14 pm to therick711
quote:
I don't think it was interference, I do think it is a bit dirty
How could it be dirty but not interference in this context while the catcher is making a throw?
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:17 pm to starsandstripes
I think there are plays that are within the rules that are dirty. Some might call them unsporting or whatever.
For instance, faking an injury to stop a no-huddle offense, fouling terrible FT shooters in bonus situations before the last two minutes, throwing retaliatory beanballs, flopping, diving, etc.
For instance, faking an injury to stop a no-huddle offense, fouling terrible FT shooters in bonus situations before the last two minutes, throwing retaliatory beanballs, flopping, diving, etc.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:17 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Dirty
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:18 pm to sgallo3
He did it with the intention of breaking up a double play without thinking of the consequences. If that were Willson Contreras behind the plate, there would be a damn uproar right now and it would have likely been a bean fest the next game.
He was out by a mile. It was a force out and he was out by a mile. He didn't even need to slide yet he intentionally tried to take out the catcher's legs.
It was dirty. It would have been dirty back in the day and it still is. The difference would be that it would have been acceptable back then as opposed to it now.
He was out by a mile. It was a force out and he was out by a mile. He didn't even need to slide yet he intentionally tried to take out the catcher's legs.
It was dirty. It would have been dirty back in the day and it still is. The difference would be that it would have been acceptable back then as opposed to it now.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:18 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Easy call - interference.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:19 pm to hendersonshands
quote:
Don't think he was trying to hurt him, but it was definitely interference
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:28 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Force play and out by a mile. No need to slide unless you’re trying to frick up the throw. Dirty as hell.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:35 pm to lsupride87
quote:Hitting guys below the knees from behind is illegal in almost every sport.
It wasnt egregious, but he absolutely slid out of his way to try and hit someones legs who wasnt even looking
By the time the catcher made the force, and turned he was five feet, away from the plate. Rizzo didn't even touch the plage, and slid in front of it, injuring the guy. It's one thing when you're face-to-face and the fielder knows exactly where the runnier is and when the runner will get there.
It's another thing to be totally outside of the baseline, making a throw after making a play and getting your knees chopped from behind.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:39 pm to TH03
quote:
Force play and out by a mile. No need to slide unless you’re trying to frick up the throw. Dirty as hell.
That's just about every double play, though.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:39 pm to Baloo
Look at the photo evidence right above your post, Baloo. Which is it, you're waffling all over the place. Dirty, best kind of dirty slide, but the catcher cleared out. Then next sentence: "He should be an area where he will not be hit by the runner..."
He was damn near on the infield grass. That was a shite play by Rizzo, and players are always bitching about "feeding their families..." and here he goes trying to end a guy's career with a dirty shot to the legs.
He was damn near on the infield grass. That was a shite play by Rizzo, and players are always bitching about "feeding their families..." and here he goes trying to end a guy's career with a dirty shot to the legs.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:44 pm to therick711
quote:
That's just about every double play, though.
He’s called for interference 100/100 times if that’s at 2nd.
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