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re: Suicide among Custer’s soldiers.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:00 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:00 pm to Jim Rockford
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:03 pm to theOG
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quote: Are there any truly reliable accounts of what happened?
Louis L'Amour gives a cool, but brief, second hand account of the battle in his book Education of Wandering Man.
Thomas Berger also gives a fascinating account of Custer's Last Stand in Little Big Man, but I wouldn't consider it to be a 100% factual.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:16 pm to tWildcat
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Did Custer underestimate the number of Indians there were or just how hard the Indians would fight?
He definitely underestimated, or at least discounted, the number of Indians he was facing. Custer was told by his scouts that morning that they were looking at more Indians and ponies than any of them had ever seen in one place before. Custer went up to a vantage point that the Crow scouts had used, but disagreed about what they were seeing. Mitch Bouyer, a half French Canadian and half Sioux scout, basically told Custer it was more Indians than they could handle.
Of course Custer didn't see it that way. He split his men into three columns, with a rearguard to protect the wagon train, and headed to battle. Mitch Bouyer started giving his best possessions away because he knew he was going to get killed. And he did, along with the rest of Custer's column and a bunch of other troopers.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:18 pm to Jim Rockford
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There was one that may have been legit
Frank Finkel?
History.net
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Finkel correctly insisted that his horse had been a roan—a C Company sorrel. He knew the terrain well enough to satisfy the compulsive topographer Charles Kuhlman, who calibrated distances with three different odometers. Finkel used Old Army slang correctly, had gunshot wounds and a military bearing, and was a perfect forensic match for a man known to have fought at the Little Bighorn, who was supposedly buried there but who was never properly identified among the dead. Above all, Finkel described the battle not as romanticized in the 1880s through the 1940s, but as described by the 7th Cavalry survivors like Captain Frederick Benteen and the Indians in the 1870s, and clinched by the cartridge-case and slug analysis of Dr. Fox in the 1980s—a rout where C Company broke up and fled, scattering corpses (and one fugitive) all over the landscape before most resistance in the other four companies collapsed.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:25 pm to Jim Rockford
Yeah, but we stole "they're land"......
I like to call it conquered
I like to call it conquered
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:29 pm to WhiteMandingo
Listened to History on Fire podcast on it.
Caster was quite the ladies man.
Caster was quite the ladies man.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:41 pm to SadSouthernBuck
That's the one I was thinking of.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:09 pm to theOG
Last stand hill is a very cool place for the history buff. The hill, littered with markers where soldiers fell is a sobering monument on that rolling Montana grassland.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:54 pm to REB BEER
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I guess we all died a little in that damn war
I reckon so
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Yes it is, if you walk the battlefield you can see clusters of 2-4 grave markers where guys made a last stand with their buddies
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:01 pm to White Roach
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He definitely underestimated, or at least discounted, the number of Indians he was facing. Custer was told by his scouts that morning that they were looking at more Indians and ponies than any of them had ever seen in one place before. Custer went up to a vantage point that the Crow scouts had used, but disagreed about what they were seeing. Mitch Bouyer, a half French Canadian and half Sioux scout, basically told Custer it was more Indians than they could handle.
Of course Custer didn't see it that way. He split his men into three columns, with a rearguard to protect the wagon train, and headed to battle. Mitch Bouyer started giving his best possessions away because he knew he was going to get killed. And he did, along with the rest of Custer's column and a bunch of other troopers.
Good account. Also, they were obscured by the smoke from breakfast fires which was mistaken for haze (or at least that is what they said at the monument). That is an assload of smoke. Anyway, if in the area one should check it out as the terrain is awesome and it really paints a great picture of how bad of a place for Custer to pick to battle.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:12 pm to AnorexicGator
well since it was well known the indians scalped you while still alive and often skinned you while still alive, ya frick it, i would eat a bullet too before being taken alive by those savages 
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:29 pm to Tortious
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Also, they were obscured by the smoke from breakfast fires which was mistaken for haze (or at least that is what they said at the monument). That is an assload of smoke.
I think they were 12 or 15 mikes away when they first spotted the Indian camp. It was early morning and they were looking in a westerly direction. The sun reflecting off of the haze/smoke and long shadows cast by the hills created some of the confusion.
There was also an enormous pony herd generating dust. I don't remember the exact estimate, but I want to say it was at least 10,000.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:33 pm to White Roach
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There was also an enormous pony herd generating dust.
That's right. Now I recall they mentioned that too. Yes it was a ridiculous number of horses as well.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:34 pm to White Roach
I’m currently reading a book about the frontier in the late 1700s and the torture used by the Indians was savage. You definitely didn’t want to get captured alive
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:38 pm to tWildcat
Civil war a few years earlier took a bite out of the numbers.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:40 pm to AnorexicGator
Isaiah Dorman
I read a long book on the battle (name escapes me), one part I remembered was that the Indians really mutilated the one black guy with the Army because they viewed him as something like a traitor because he lived with them awhile (enough to be an interpreter which is what he was doing there).
That book said they did something different to him, but the link is to his Wiki page and it says enough.
I read a long book on the battle (name escapes me), one part I remembered was that the Indians really mutilated the one black guy with the Army because they viewed him as something like a traitor because he lived with them awhile (enough to be an interpreter which is what he was doing there).
That book said they did something different to him, but the link is to his Wiki page and it says enough.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:42 pm to deltaland
quote:it was 14 interviewees. You would assume they only saw a very small number of the 268 die.
14 of 268 total dead based on accounts is only 5%
We have no way of knowing. But we do know it wasn’t epidemic.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:52 pm to Marciano1
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Are there any truly reliable accounts of what happened?
Old Custer A Novel by Eli Cash
“Well, everyone knows Custer died at Little Bighorn. What this book presupposes is… maybe he didn’t?”
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:03 pm to HempHead
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268 casualties was more than 1% of the Regular Army of the time? That's incredible.
Southern Democrats had finally reasserted control of the House of Representatives and were cutting the size of the Regular Army (its perceived instrument of domestic tyranny during Reconstruction). They wanted to cut it to 15,000. It was a far, far different time.
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