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Little kids throwing curve balls.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:19 pm
At what age is it really safe for little kids to start chunking curve balls? 13 is the general age I’ve always heard but didn’t know if that was backed up by actual science or anything. I’ll gladly pilfer thru the usual responses about kids and baseball if someone has some actual knowledge on the subject
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:25 pm to LSUballs
I use to tell kids 15/16 that any earlier they should be focused on fastball/change up. Of course you have people trying to teach kids a circle change at 13 now
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:27 pm to LSUballs
If you throw a curve ball the right way it doesn’t hurt the arm anymore than a fastball. The reason kids who throw curveballs have more arm trouble is because they pitch more than the other kids.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:27 pm to LSUballs
Maybe a knuckle curve at 13. Personally I don't think I'd have my own kid throwing a curve at that age.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:33 pm to Jcorye1
quote:Im not saying you are wrong or calling you a liar, but I strongly disagree with this. You take a kid that throws 50 fastballs and another kid that throws 50 curveballs repeatedly in games at a young age and see which one has arm trouble. Ive seen it several times.
If you throw a curve ball the right way it doesn’t hurt the arm anymore than a fastball
and my answer to the question is high school if they are throwing consistantly.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:33 pm to LSUballs
Before high school, kids should develop a fastball and change up only. Their time should be spent learning control and gaining arm strength. A well placed fastball is better than just simply having a curveball.
They can learn a curveball later from someone who knows what they are talking about instead of Jim the accountant/little league coach.
They can learn a curveball later from someone who knows what they are talking about instead of Jim the accountant/little league coach.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:35 pm to Jcorye1
My son threw a 12-6 curve very effectively at age 12.
He went on to play D1 baseball as a pitcher.
So if thrown correctly I think 13 is ok.
But it probably varies from kid to kid.
He went on to play D1 baseball as a pitcher.
So if thrown correctly I think 13 is ok.
But it probably varies from kid to kid.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:36 pm to Simplemaaan
Dr Andrews says 14
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I say teach mechanics first then teach 4 seam 2 seam and in out pressure with fingers then go to more “complex”
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I say teach mechanics first then teach 4 seam 2 seam and in out pressure with fingers then go to more “complex”
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:37 pm to Str8volfan
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Im not saying you are wrong or calling you a liar, but I strongly disagree with this.
Disagree all you want. I won’t be rude or anything but I’ve almost written a book about this subject. The biomechanics of the curveball are almost completely identical to the fastball. My opinion is shared by Dr. James Andrews
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:39 pm to LSUballs
started my son on curveball and changeups at 6. For any chance to get to majors you need them to start by 8 at the latest.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:40 pm to LSUballs
Better off learning to throw a nasty changeup that he can command and trying to develop the basics and finger strength to start getting more spin on the fastball for movement. Command those two well enough , work ethic, and blessed with enough strength and athletic ability and you can go far.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:41 pm to Cosmo
I think pitch limits actually do more damage than curve balls. People have not strengthened their arms.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:46 pm to LSUballs
In our LL in the 80's, they banned it until you got to Pony League.
So, yeah the rules were 13 years old.
So, yeah the rules were 13 years old.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:49 pm to Jcorye1
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Maybe a knuckle curve at 13. Personally I don't think I'd have my own kid throwing a curve at that age.
Please explain how changing grip and keeping arm angle the same or possibly slightly different makes any difference.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:50 pm to bamafan1001
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Disagree all you want. I won’t be rude or anything but I’ve almost written a book about this subject. The biomechanics of the curveball are almost completely identical to the fastball. My opinion is shared by Dr. James Andrews
I agree. There may be minor effects of throwing curveballs, but for most kids it's sheer volume. Kids 13 or 14 years old should.t be throwing 100 pitches in a game or 2 or 3 days in a row.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:55 pm to LSUballs
Prior to high school, they should be learning 4 seamers, 2 seamers, and changeups. A breaking ball isn't necessary and causes too much stress on the arm too young.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:55 pm to Simplemaaan
The only way a curve could cause more issues than any other pitch is if some Jack Leg teaches the kid to throw it wrong. Its pretty much impossible to actually see the ball and make a determination of speed, location and spin. Hitters are able to tell these things based off the actual arm and body action of the pitcher. If the arm did anything different than the fastball for a curve or any other pitch...it would be be pretty ineffective against decent hitters.
Kids develop arm problems from amount of total stress to the arm. You cant have a kid pitch long games, then immediately go play catcher or shortstop for long before he’ll start developing problems.
Some kids have more lax joints and are more resistant to arm trouble than other kids. Often times your more athletic kids who are more tightly wound and more springy/explosive have more arm problems.
Kids develop arm problems from amount of total stress to the arm. You cant have a kid pitch long games, then immediately go play catcher or shortstop for long before he’ll start developing problems.
Some kids have more lax joints and are more resistant to arm trouble than other kids. Often times your more athletic kids who are more tightly wound and more springy/explosive have more arm problems.
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