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re: Little kids throwing curve balls.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:15 pm to TROLA
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:15 pm to TROLA
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My son is 12 and throws a knuckle curve.. he will start working in a slider next year
There is a reason that professional organizations discourage their young arms from throwing sliders.
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:23 pm to mametoo
Sliders are the worst thing to teach. I’d never teach one to a kid until college. Generally because the arm strength isn’t there yet.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:25 pm to RD Dawg
Llws is the town's that still care about the llws. South lake Charles before tournament ball was one of the best in the country. That fed into barbe. Which is one of the best high school programs in the country. Multiple pros as well. Last good slc little league team had the Jordan twins that play for lsu. Trey quinn, who is about to be drafted in the nfl. And gunner leger and kennon Fontenot both dudes Will be drafted out of UL. And all of them played on the thibideaux terror way far away. Llws is nothing compared to national travel ball tournaments
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:32 pm to Joecaster06
Ya think!Wasn't the point,dude.
So all the coaches who get to the LLWS are "losers"?
So all the coaches who get to the LLWS are "losers"?
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:37 pm to bamafan1001
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Not every kid can throw hard..or even locate. Every kid can at least learn the proper way to throw pitches
I understand that, but if you've mastered the mechanics of a pitch, other than a lack of velocity, you shouldn't have any trouble throwing that pitch effectively and accurately.
I might be taking you too literally, but I think you're being far too optimistic about a "good" 14 year old pitcher.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:42 pm to mametoo
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There is a reason that professional organizations discourage their young arms from throwing slider
My kid ain’t going to be pitching in a professional organization.. overuse is the culprit and learning a slider over a 1-2 year period from competent coaches is fine. The problem is always learning to quick with incorrect technique while overthrowing .
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:44 pm to theenemy
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IMHO, the reason to teach the curve to kids.....is to keep the kids from learning to throw it wrong from someone else.
But focus should be on FB and Change
Yeah that's not a bad point. I don't like starting the curve because it takes time away from pitches that are hardly mastered for the typical 14 year old.
If you can't throw a FB inside and out with any consistency, you don't need another pitch. All of your time should be devoted to the FB - 2 seam and 4 seam. The change up is next. Then we can talk about a curve.
If your son is getting pelted without a CB, learning it isn't likely to help.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:46 pm to Joecaster06
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And all of them played on the thibideaux terror way far away. Llws is nothing compared to national travel ball tournaments
Yes,I'm aware of travel ball.I played Pony League for
Guerry Baldwin who pretty much invented it with East Cobb baseball
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Multiple pros as well
Look up East Cobb Baseball and MLB players and get back
to me.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:47 pm to LSUballs
Wait. wait. Wait. Read The Arm by Jeff Passan
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Male teens between ages 15 and 19 now account for the majority of "Tommy John" surgeries to reconstruct elbow ligaments, usually a result of a common sports injury from overusing the throwing arm, according to a new study published in the American Journal of Sports Medicine. And the number of procedures is growing fast.
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Researchers analyzed a large database of patients who used private insurance that billed for the specific code for UCLR between 2007 and 2011, a total of 790 patients. Teens 15 to 19 years old accounted for almost 57 percent, the majority of these surgeries. The surgery rate for that age group has been increasing by about 9 percent per year, they found. The next closest age group, 20- to 24-year-olds, accounted for 22 percent of the operations.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:50 pm to RD Dawg
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C'mon,I see kids throwing curves all the time when I watch the LL world series.
But it used to be banned - at least in the 70's and 80's.
The Chinese-Taipei would throw curve like pitches that would befuddle American batters in the LLWS but they were just submarine pitches looking like curves so they were okay by the rules.
They all pitched sidearm...American kids didn't do that back then. Asia always favored this style of pitching compared to the American which almost never pitched this way.
And to young kids it looked like a curve and since curves were banned American kids never saw curves and couldn't hit shite. Chinese Taipei ruled LLWS for two decades.
From the 1970s-1990's it was all Taiwan, Korea or Japan.
We had a kids get thrown out of games for throwing a curve in the mid-80's.
But they did a study in the 90's and said curves weren't the problem but over-pitching.
So now all LL cares about is innings pitched and you can now throw curves which has even the playing field with Asian pitchers at the LL level who are taught to throw with movement by the side-arm or submarine method...which American kids hardly see.
Once LL allowed curves, American kids got back in the game to competing for LLWS titles.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:00 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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But it used to be banned - at least in the 70's and 80's.
No it wasn't...I played LL in the 70's and 80's and plenty of kids were throwing it including myself.
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The Chinese-Taipei would throw curve like pitches that would befuddle American batters in the LLWS but they were just submarine pitches looking like curves so they were okay by the rules.
The reason the Taipei kids dominated was because they were putting together teams with kids from all over the
country...nothing to do with "submarine" pitches.
Watch them play against the Gary Sheffield/Derek Bell
Tampa LL team in the early 80's it's on YouTube.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:04 pm to RD Dawg
I played LL and it was banned.
Did you actually play sanctioned LL or some other organization?
I'm not talking about just youth baseball in general, I'm talking about LL specifically.
Pitchers got tossed if they threw curves.
Did you actually play sanctioned LL or some other organization?
I'm not talking about just youth baseball in general, I'm talking about LL specifically.
Pitchers got tossed if they threw curves.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:06 pm to RD Dawg
Watch the pitching styles, the kids were befuddled.
Sure the Taiwan kids were huge but Americans weren't pitching that way - those pitches had a lot of movement.
And yes they pooled their talent. But that shouldn't have made them SO much more dominant for such a small country.
Sure the Taiwan kids were huge but Americans weren't pitching that way - those pitches had a lot of movement.
And yes they pooled their talent. But that shouldn't have made them SO much more dominant for such a small country.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:10 pm to mametoo
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There is a reason that professional organizations discourage their young arms from throwing sliders.
This...
Have him try to use a slider grip and throw it exactly like a fastball and see what it does. I used to throw that and would get a hybrid cutter/slider movement and it's much easier on a young arm and easier to locate than an actual slider.
I tried to strikeout Xavier Paul once with that pitch at that firecracker tournament in Slidell but he blew it up
but 99% of kids will have a bit of trouble hitting it. Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:10 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Did you actually play sanctioned LL or some other organization?
Yes
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'm talking about LL specifically.
Pitchers got tossed if they threw curve
Maybe it was a rule for your particular LL but I can assure it wasn't banned where I played or any all star
tournaments that I participated in.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:10 pm to LSUballs
8th Grade, unless shaving in 7th
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:11 pm to RD Dawg
I wasn't bragging at all. My point was tournament ball trumps everything these days, just like aau. The coaches in high school deserve the utmost respect, because it is their job.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:13 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I played Little League in the 80s and Curveballs weren't banned when I played.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:14 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Watch the pitching styles, the kids were befuddled.
Go to YouTube and watch that particular game.The Taipei kids on average were 3 inches taller than Tampa
and pitcher relied on a very good fastball...nothing "befuddling" about it.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:14 pm to LSUballs
Well maybe it was just district prohibitions.
Because our County prohibited it.
I guess some allowed it.
But you got tossed if you threw a breaking ball in my league growing up in the 80's.
Because our County prohibited it.
I guess some allowed it.
But you got tossed if you threw a breaking ball in my league growing up in the 80's.
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