- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Tesla is just months from a total collapse, says hedge-fund manager
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:03 pm
quote:
Unless Elon Musk “pulls a rabbit out of his hat,” Tesla will be bankrupt within four months, says John Thompson of Vilas Capital Management.
“Companies eventually have to make a profit, and I don’t ever see that happening here,” he told MarketWatch. “This is one of the worst income statements I’ve ever seen and between the story and the financials, the financials will win out in this case.”
“Tesla, without any doubt, is on the verge of bankruptcy,” he told clients in an email over the weekend. He explained that funding will be hard to come by in the face of problems in delivering the Model 3, declining demand for the Model S and X, extreme valuation and a likely downgrade of its credit rating by Moody’s from B- to CCC.
“As a reality check, Tesla is worth twice as much as Ford [estimate of the enterprise value of both companies], yet Ford F-0.09% made 6 million cars last year at a $7.6 billion profit while Tesla made 100,000 cars at a $2 billion loss,” Thompson said. “Further, Ford has $12 billion in cash held for ‘a rainy day’ while Tesla will likely run out of money in the next 3 months. I’ve never seen anything so absurd in my career.”
Tesla declined to comment on Thompson’s views.
LINK
Elon Musk is an absolute scam artist and has been stealing American taxpayers money for years!
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:08 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
Tesla will be bankrupt within four months,

Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:12 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
Unless Elon Musk “pulls a rabbit out of his hat,” Tesla will be bankrupt within four months
That rabbit will be Musk simply asking me for me money and people will drink the koolaide with quickness.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:13 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
I wouldn't argue your comment about Musk overall, but it would be nice to see what Tesla could do if it was allowed to actually compete in all state markets.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:15 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Ford is going to use those cash reserves to snatch up alot of the intellectual property during the courthouse auction.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:18 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
Elon Musk is an absolute scam artist and has been stealing American taxpayers money for years!
That's not good. I got an uncle who just moved out there for work.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:23 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
That car wreck last week in California that killed the "driver" of the self-driving Tesla car is not going to help Musk's credibility.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:27 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Yea this isn't really news. I know short sellers have been keeping an eye on it for a few months now.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:30 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
Thompson manages $25 million
Lol, I mean that's not much of a hedgefund.
Stock down 8% today, but I'm not sure this guy has much credibility at all. More like some writer finding someone that will say what he needs them to say.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:31 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:50 pm to Iosh
Dilute. Dilute. Dilute. Wish dabigfella was still around.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 2:54 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
Elon Musk is an absolute scam artist and has been stealing American taxpayers money for years!
You smart
Posted on 3/27/18 at 3:07 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Tesla is sitting on 3B+ in cash and most of their debt is convertible, not to mention they can go and get some funding from if needed.
Who would invest money? The people who are already invested, this thing isn't going to Chapter 11. anytime soon. I do believe he's got MAX a couple of years to show some results/progress before some change is demanded. It does burn cash, even for a high-growth technology company.
He's lucky we are in a crazy long bull run or the markets wouldn't be as kind. IMO.
Who would invest money? The people who are already invested, this thing isn't going to Chapter 11. anytime soon. I do believe he's got MAX a couple of years to show some results/progress before some change is demanded. It does burn cash, even for a high-growth technology company.
He's lucky we are in a crazy long bull run or the markets wouldn't be as kind. IMO.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 3:23 pm to bogart
I believe hes short tsla now..
yes I talk with him pretty reg.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 3:24 pm to stout
quote:
Yea this isn't really news. I know short sellers have been keeping an eye on it for a few months now.
broke that 290 level today.. I went short. may 290/280 put spread
Posted on 3/27/18 at 3:35 pm to b-rab2
Moody's downgraded Tesla's corporate debt to Caa1 today and assigned a negative outlook.
quote:
What does a Caa1 rating mean?
Definition: A rating within speculative grade Moody's Long-term Corporate Obligation Rating.
Obligations rated Caa1 are judged to be of poor standing and are subject to very high credit risk.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 3:38 pm to deeprig9
quote:
Ford is going to use those cash reserves to snatch up alot of the intellectual property during the courthouse auction.
what IP does tesla own? from my understanding they don't have much. any specifics?
Popular
Back to top

18







