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re: Many around the program – and outside of it – compare the scheme Ensminger is implementing
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:22 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:22 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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It is just my opinion but I wouldn't abandon it completely. No matter what level of play or scheme there comes a time when you must line up and pound the line of scrimmage and punch your opponent in the mouth. There is no better formation to do that than the I-formation. Even the Saints use a lot of I formation with a fullback for short yardage.
Completely agree and O has said he wants that USC pro style offense and they used a FB with spread principles as well. I absolutely LOVED that offense under Mett and we used a FB all the time. You can still be very multiple out of the I formation and keep teams guessing.
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:25 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tommie Robinson and Cregg - SUPER BOWL OL COACH - coached at USC together
Ok.
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They are familiar with a very similar system
Right, then you come with this.
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Robinson, Slinger, Joseph and Sullivan all worked together last season
Under a different system. So how does any benefit carry over from last season when the scheme is totally different this year?
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So it's not like these are all new hire getting to know one another and install a system that NO ONE is familiar with.
The OC, the boss of the offense, hasn't run the system before.
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If you are asking if I would rather have Les and Cam (who were together for years) installing a new offense or even running the same one they had installed for years I would choose the new regime. No question.
Not what I was asking at all.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Wow, this sounds sad and pathetic
It only further proves you are an O sycophant if you envision a picture of an assistant OL coach holding the SB trophy, man get a life
I'm a visual person. If I am going to answer a call on my phone there better be a picture of the caller that I have programmed in or they can leave a message.
I can't even think of anyone without visualizing their face and what they look like. It's impossible for me not to if I know what they look like. That is the only picture I have of James and what I envision when he is brought up. Sue me
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:28 pm to Goldrush25
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You think a cobbled-together coaching staff can teach an offense as thoroughly and efficiently as a staff that's been working together on the same scheme for years?
I certainly do, but it's completely dependent on the coaches. Time together does not trump ability when it comes to coaching (or anything really).
This is not a concern for us.
There will be no grand transformation of LSU's offensive identity (for the good) under a DL coach and a TE coach.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:30 pm to Tiger Ree
Ok 
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:31 pm to TigerLunatik
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I absolutely LOVED that offense under Mett and we used a FB all the time. You can still be very multiple out of the I formation and keep teams guessing.
I don't want to use it all the time, but there is no reason they can't keep it in the playbook and use it like the Saints do. As much as so many around here hate it. I don't think they realize how much the Saints do use it. I would guess they run 10-15 plays a game out of the I.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:38 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Well that’s not what anyone is asking nor is it the only other option but keep floging those straw men
You asked the question and didn't give any ground rules. Since this is an LSU message board that's what I thought of.
Can it be different years per staff?
Hotlips Tom Herman did pretty good in his first year at UH with a new and patchwork coaching staff. Went 13-1 losing to UCONN but they beat FSU.
BUT, I wouldn't want his second season. As far as I know it was entirely the same staff and system and they lost 4 or 5 games and only gained 303 total yards against SMU. Yuck.
you're the only one who knows the rules/options. Sorry about my lack of knowledge of your question.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:39 pm to Goldrush25
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Ensminger clearly doesn't have his own philosophy that he's implementing. They're doing some kind of weird Frankenstein project where they're taking a piece from this guy and a piece from that guy and trying to put it together in an offseason.
I don't know what you are smoking but whatever it is, you ought to package it up and put it for sale.
As that is not what Ensminger said or what he is doing. Ensminger is installing his own system, however, as far as terminology is concerned, he is letting the offensive assistants choose the terminology to make it easier for them. That's it. That's all he ever said.
Hence, your entire premise is utterly ridiculous and absurd.
Not to mention, the main reason why Ensminger is so excited about his new jobs is that O is giving him the complete freedom to implement his own offense and to run it as he sees fit because unlike Canada, O has complete trust and confidence in Ensminger.
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I foresee us having a multiple type of offense, heavy on miscues and penalties, without depth to it. It's like they're trying to write a book in a language they don't know, instead of them simply installing what they know best.
I foresee you as a complete and utter idiot because that is what you have always been and that is what you will always be.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:45 pm to Goldrush25
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Under a different system. So how does any benefit carry over from last season when the scheme is totally different this year?
Just pointing out that they are not new hires working together for the first time while installing a totally new system. They already know each other and have worked together for over a year or more. The getting to know each other and what they will do is already in place. They only have to think about and get to know the system and not each other.
ETA: More importantly they know most of the players and what they are capable. Much different from a totally new staff with no knowledge of each other or any of the players.
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The OC, the boss of the offense, hasn't run the system before
Uhmm, not so sure about this. I read an article that said he was one of the first OC's to start using spread concepts back in the day.
But, even if he hasn't and isn't familiar with it, he is the only one.
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Not what I was asking at all.
Sorry, I missed it then.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:49 pm to tgerb8
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I certainly do, but it's completely dependent on the coaches. Time together does not trump ability when it comes to coaching (or anything really).
And what indicators do you see that our staff possesses exceptional ability, to the point to where they'd require less time than say Jimbo or Mullen to implement an offense that executes at a high level?
Do you just have blind faith or is there something you see that we can correlate with success?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:59 pm to Tiger Ree
Is that what you took from what I said in great detail and clarified multiple times? 
you are fricking braindead. FYI, if you have to make things up and put words in peoples’ mouths to win the argument, then you lost the argument. No wonder your dumb fricking arse had to forge a boater’s license of all things
you are fricking braindead. FYI, if you have to make things up and put words in peoples’ mouths to win the argument, then you lost the argument. No wonder your dumb fricking arse had to forge a boater’s license of all thingsPosted on 3/23/18 at 5:02 pm to Tiger Ree
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They already know each other and have worked together for over a year or more. The getting to know each other and what they will do is already in place. They only have to think about and get to know the system and not each other.
I couldn't give two craps if they know each other's shoe sizes and middle names. The system is all I've ever been talking about. It's a new system that this staff hasn't run as a unit.
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I read an article that said he was one of the first OC's to start using spread concepts back in the day. But, even if he hasn't and isn't familiar with it, he is the only one.
If that's true, he didn't run it very well.
And I'd think that him being in charge of everything offense related is a big deal if he hasn't run the system before.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 5:02 pm to Space Cowboy
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Not to mention, the main reason why Ensminger is so excited about his new jobs is that O is giving him the complete freedom to implement his own offense and to run it as he sees fit
He said this last year too.
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because unlike Canada, O has complete trust and confidence in Ensminger.
So, you're saying your guy hired a guy and paid him $1.5M, told the fans and media that he was going to let his coordinator do the coaching and didn't trust him so along? Wow.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 5:04 pm to UpToPar
Sorry, thinking Mc is #2.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 5:06 pm to Tiger Ree
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I'm a visual person. If I am going to answer a call on my phone there better be a picture of the caller that I have programmed in or they can leave a message.
how in hell did you even graduate from high school, much less college? try being a "visual person" such as you describe and pass an English course, Accounting, Law, etc, etc, etc. did you ever read a book? or just look at the pictures.
after reading many of your posts I do not believe you are this "visual person" you describe. you would be completely functionally illiterate.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 5:12 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:A critical piece to the W Coast offense is the FB albeit from sets not always named "I".
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I absolutely LOVED that offense under Mett and we used a FB all the time. You can still be very multiple out of the I formation and keep teams guessing.
I don't want to use it all the time, but there is no reason they can't keep it in the playbook and use it like the Saints do. As much as so many around here hate it. I don't think they realize how much the Saints do use it. I would guess they run 10-15 plays a game out of the I.
However, the FB doesn't HAVE to be a big bruiser. One does not necessarily equate to the other.
For us, LSU fans traumatized by Les, the power I, and toss dives, I suggest we just start saying 2-back sets.
Me personally, I love the "bigger" back used in unconventional roles [often]. The key to the W Coast offense is too many weapons in one section of the field. It wasn't until Bill Walsh and his W Coast that the broadcasters didn't start breaking down the field into 6 blocks. That FB is often the +1 when attacking an area of the field, sometimes decoy, sometimes target, sometimes as a blocker (a la the Power I).
Posted on 3/23/18 at 5:12 pm to TigerLunatik
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Not to mention, the main reason why Ensminger is so excited about his new jobs is that O is giving him the complete freedom to implement his own offense and to run it as he sees fit
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He said this last year too.
"It's Matt's offense."
"It's Matt's offense."
"It's Matt's offense."
Then later on
"I'm the head coach, we do what I want."
So he was basically lying every time he said it's Matt's offense.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 5:16 pm to Tiger Ree
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Orgeron said his offensive staff plans to visit the Charges later in the spring. Coaches have studied “a lot of what the Saints are doing” as well, he said
This is exactly what I would expect someone who doesn’t know anything about offense to say
Posted on 3/23/18 at 5:18 pm to Goldrush25
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Well that's the tricky part.
And they already lost a year due to the baffling Canada hire.
Indeed. It is a tall order, to be sure.
The advantages Saban has enjoyed in player development and execution can be laid at the feet of his shadow staff freeing his coaches to focus on these areas, while they deal with advance scouting and recruit evaluation.
We may now also claim that advantage. Results? We'll see...GEAUX TIGERS!
Posted on 3/23/18 at 5:28 pm to blackmouthcur
quote:Indeed.
Indeed. It is a tall order, to be sure.
The advantages Saban has enjoyed in player development and execution can be laid at the feet of his shadow staff freeing his coaches to focus on these areas, while they deal with advance scouting and recruit evaluation.
We may now also claim that advantage. Results? We'll see...GEAUX TIGERS!
Part of Saban's advantage is in his (and some of his more longer-term personnel) ability to manage the two staffs, thereby maximizing the advantage (the man is all about efficiency).
So while just having the staff probably will lead to improvements, it will be up to Orgeron (and couple others) to determine if it turns into significant improvements.
Part of the reason I wish Austin Thomas hadn't done [to himself] what he did. Such things in partnership with a HC are right up his alley.
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