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re: If you raise the age to buy guns to 21, the age to enter the military should also be 21

Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:31 am to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:31 am to
No.

However, if you receive military training, you should be able to purchase a firearm.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5693 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:34 am to
Disagree.

I'm more comfortable w a 19 year old trained marine handling a gun over just a random 40 year old (who may or may not have any experience/training).

Raising the minimum age of the military offers no upside.....

Posted by winston318
Oklahoma City,OK
Member since Sep 2009
3175 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:38 am to
quote:

Got my first gun when I was 10 IIRC.


Im sure that you didn't purchase it.
Parents would still be able to buy firearms for their children.
Your example is not relevant
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
25329 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:40 am to
I raised my kids around guns. My youngest daughter (13) could outshoot any gang banger that carries around a stolen pistol every day. It's all about training. Hell, I trained all of my kids to break down, clean and reassemble every gun they've ever shot- before they got to shoot them. And then I watched them clean them afterwards too.

The military trains our children the same way with these firearms. There is absolutely no reason to deny military personnel 18+ the ability to purchase and use whatever legal firearm they want.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
141571 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Im sure that you didn't purchase it. Parents would still be able to buy firearms for their children.


I did purchase it. Nothing is free and it was a want and not a need. Therefore, I had to pay for it.

quote:

Parents would still be able to buy firearms for their children


Cool. 19 year old to Dad: Dad, let's go to the gun store and get that XD9 I've been wanting.

quote:

Your example is not relevant


You were wrong from the get-go so... buzz off lib.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76651 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:43 am to
18 year old military members can't buy handguns, yet still carry sidearms.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
38017 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:45 am to
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If you raise the age to buy guns to 21, the age to enter the military should also be 21 by Roaad

Agreed?


No.

But I do believe that if you are serving at the age of 18 that you should receive a waiver and be allowed to drink, on post only, and that once you complete your basic and advanced courses and have been with your TONE unit for at least six months ... then you should receive a waiver that allows you to buy a long gun.

If you live in the barracks you'd be required to store it in the armory.

If you are married and live off post ... then you get an off-post U.S. Military permit.

Those who serve should receive special privleges IMHO.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
131574 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:48 am to
I think 18 year olds should still be able to join military. But in non-combat roles until they are 21.

Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56705 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:49 am to
I’m ok w 18 year olds buying weapons if they can prove they have firearm training similar in nature to the military

Posted by Txbama
Tx
Member since Dec 2012
15 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:10 am to
My grandson is 18 years old, joined the U.S. Army. Willing to fight and die for our freedom. You do not hear or see people out protesting that !8 year old is not responsible enough to defend our freedom. 18 year olds are responsible enough to be issued driving license, allowed to work and pay taxes, allowed to vote, People say " yes this is their RIGHTS, but some say but they should be denied their 2nd amendment RIGHT. To young or not responsible enough. OK, let’s change voting rights and everything else to 21 age. Keep them as children until they are 21 then they can leave home and be adults I know that some are not responsible but I know people that supposed to be adults who are not. We are a country of laws so we just follow the rules of what our government decides are best for us. But what is a Right and what is a privilege, i think a lot of us do not know. (Crazy times in this country) Right verses left. The country voted Right. Left lost so let us protest and resist.
Posted by winston318
Oklahoma City,OK
Member since Sep 2009
3175 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:39 am to
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I did purchase it. Nothing is free and it was a want and not a need. Therefore, I had to pay for it.

So at 10 years old you walked into a gun store and purchased a gun? GTFOH. This law is about licensed dealers so like I said before your point has no relevance to this post
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
43152 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:44 am to
Disagree. I think the age of 18 is important. There are many young men (and women) that basically are saved from a life of crime and wrongdoing because they go straight into the military out of high school. If you raise the age to 21, many of those people will continue with their ways and not enter the military when they are 21.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
141571 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:44 am to
You said I didn't purchase it. You were wrong.

Again, piss of lib.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
141571 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:45 am to
quote:

Right verses left. The country voted Right. Left lost so let us protest and resist.


Progressives have replaced our former liberal friends that we could dine with.
Posted by Kriegschwein
Alemania
Member since Feb 2015
855 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:46 am to
You already have to store it in the Arms Room (or Armory) if you live in the barracks.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 10:35 am
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
33663 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:05 am to
they should just raise the voting age to 22

unless you have an active military ID, then you can vote
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:31 am to
Seems as though that should be the case. Just like alcohol, they can't buy it, so it's illegal to supply it to them.

Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20590 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:42 am to
Make everything 21 across the board. Voting, draft, enlistment, drinking, gambling, etc. Kids are too dumb these days.
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
76820 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:26 am to
quote:

No.

But I do believe that if you are serving at the age of 18 that you should receive a waiver and be allowed to drink, on post only, and that once you complete your basic and advanced courses and have been with your TONE unit for at least six months ... then you should receive a waiver that allows you to buy a long gun.

If you live in the barracks you'd be required to store it in the armory.

If you are married and live off post ... then you get an off-post U.S. Military permit.

Those who serve should receive special privleges IMHO.



So 18 year olds CAN be trusted with guns?

What confers this ability to be trusted? Enlistment? Does enlistment automatically make an individual more reasonable or improve their judgement?

Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
76820 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:27 am to
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They also have extensive training, live under a strict code of conduct and follow a chain of command.

So let's provide training to all 18 year olds
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