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re: So is overtly misleading (aka, lying to) the FISA court to obtain a warrant not illegal?
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:48 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:48 pm to CptBengal
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lying to judges is now not illegal. perjury must not exist anymore.
Y’all evidently haven’t been paying close attention, we had a presidential candidate destroy subpoenaed evidence, smashed cell phones, lie about it and walked free, does any of this FBI corruption surprise you?
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they're trying to justify using an unverified, partisan piece of opposition research paid for by the political opponent of the proposed target, and all the LEO have to do is swear the document exist (and leave out all the bad characteristics)
So that’s how they are parsing it.
The FBI swore that the dossier exists.
They did not aware to its content.
But the judge probably issued the warrant based on the content.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:53 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Lying to a federal court. They said they had probable cause and they didn't. They said they had multiple sources and they didn't. They swore to the legitimacy of their evidence and it was bullshite.
How so?
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:53 pm to GumboPot
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The FBI swore that the dossier exists.
They did not aware to its content.
if they swore to the contents, THEN that's illegal
i'm assuming there aren't real allegations of criminal behavior...like the best case scenario
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:55 pm to BogeyGolf
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Where did we learn that someone paid the media to run fake stories?
I think they were leaks from upcoming memos that said DOJ/Fusion paid 3 media folks to run fake stories.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:57 pm to GumboPot
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So is overtly misleading (aka, lying to) the FISA court to obtain a warrant not illegal?
I find it interesting that judges in a secret court are supposed to believe every word spoken to them without question, as this line of thinking implies.
Its almost like the law was setup to allow the govt to have the appearance of impartiality while literally agreeing with one side, unopposed 99% of the time.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Seems like all of this could be cleared up if we saw the source documents, no?
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if they swore to the contents, THEN that's illegal
Lets go over how they would get prosecuted...
You think a US attorney is going to be following up every affidavit made by an affiant in a secret court that only the judges and affiants know about?
Because if a prosecuting attorney doesnt even know if theres been an application made, how can he prosecute for perjury, etc?
Posted on 2/2/18 at 2:01 pm to boosiebadazz
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Seems like all of this could be cleared up if we saw the source documents, no?
oh i want it all released
Posted on 2/2/18 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
you think the memo is enough to spark a broader investigation?
Posted on 2/2/18 at 2:08 pm to Salmon
for Congressional Republicans? why not 
Posted on 2/2/18 at 2:57 pm to GumboPot
it's not only perjury, it's freaking treason. a group of highly placed political operatives tried to take over the executive branch of the govt by undermining the election. they underestimated the opposition to their actions because honestly, they didn't really try to hide it.
and the bit about the fbi acknowledging the contents of the dossier, you wouldn't even be in front of a fisa court unless you believed the contents were actionable. moreover, that doesn't justify paying foreign operatives, using the msm, other perjury, etc. so that line of reasoning is stupid.
and the bit about the fbi acknowledging the contents of the dossier,
you wouldn't even be in front of a fisa court unless you believed the contents were actionable. moreover, that doesn't justify paying foreign operatives, using the msm, other perjury, etc. so that line of reasoning is stupid.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 3:01 pm to GumboPot
As a former prosecutor who asked for judges to sign off on many an arrest order (easy btw...they wholly depend on the prosecutor being a just and principled person), if I ever had used fraudulent evidence to obtain an arrest order, I would not only have been fired, disbarred, sued, but also arrested myself.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 3:02 pm to LuckyTiger
But I was a lowly prosecutor.
I wasn’t above the law like some other people.
Cough
I wasn’t above the law like some other people.
Cough
Posted on 2/2/18 at 3:07 pm to Damone
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That's the standard we're looking for in the highest levels of federal law enforcement IMO
They probably even sprinkled a little crack on it for good measure.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 3:11 pm to GumboPot
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So is overtly misleading (aka, lying to) the FISA court to obtain a warrant not illegal?
Maybe not but I would think that overtly misleading (aka, lying to) the FISA court to obtain a warrant with the intent of stealing the presidential election would be..
Posted on 2/2/18 at 3:21 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:so it's not "illegal" per se. just unethical.
if I ever had used fraudulent evidence to obtain an arrest order, I would not only have been fired, disbarred, sued, but also arrested myself.
but were you ever trying to steal the presidential election? see, that's not illegal. whatever lowly crimes you were pursuing, oh yeah. that's way worse.
Posted on 2/2/18 at 3:49 pm to GumboPot
If it is not in clear violation of multiple criminal laws, and there are not at least 10 cases of conviction that have all been upheld on appeal, then whatever a Democrat or his agent does is LEGAL !!
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