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re: Detillier says he believes Canada is out
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:54 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:54 pm to CptBengal
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Saban doesnt.
Yeah, Nick Saban, who is obsessed with every detail of his program, just hires OCs and says “Yeah man, just do whatever the frick you want”?
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:54 pm to CptBengal
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and that vision changes.
and Ogeron;s has too.
so it changed from the time he was lobbying for the job (when he wanted Kiffin) to the time when he hired Canada, and now is changing AGAIN less than a year later? i don't think you can call that an "overall philosophy"
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:55 pm to Goldrush25
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Making a OC hire for any other reason other than he fits what you want in an offense philosophically indicates poor decision making.
Even wanting to win games? That's poor decision making?
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Making a splash hire is a negative, because you're making a decision for the wrong reasons.
If I wanted a YUGO and went to the dealership and got a brand new Toyota for the same price. Is that a negative or a wrong decision?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:55 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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LOL who isn't?
Saban
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:57 pm to BilJ
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Kiffin was brought in to bring in spread concepts to Saban’s preferred pro style. That’s adapting
and McElwain brought in the pistol to add to it
along with other OCs incorporating more single back sets and moving away from the i
etc
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:59 pm to adamb2151
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You are fricking blind if you think Orgeron didnt show red flags this year
SO we should FIRE him?????
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:59 pm to BayouCowboy
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One thing is clear. Miss St had a very good defense considering their level of talent.
Damn good offense also. They scored 37 points on Aranda's Defense.
Scratch that. They scored 37 points on Coach Eaux's defense.
and Troy scored 24 on Coach Eaux's defense. Later when Aranda was coaching again Bama scored 24 and A&M and Auburn scored less than Troy.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:01 pm to Tiger Ree
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Damn good offense also. They scored 37 points on Aranda's Defense.
Scratch that. They scored 37 points on Coach Eaux's defense.
and Troy scored 24 on Coach Eaux's defense. Later when Aranda was coaching again Bama scored 24 and A&M and Auburn scored less than Troy.
Nice try.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:04 pm to Goldrush25
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And people are happy with that process?
I think Canada's offense can work but it's obvious that even Orgeron didn't like his offense. What does it say about a coach that he has no plan in place after his plan A falls through, he makes a "splash" hire, then he tries to modify that guy's offense?
Does this seriously not scream poor program management to you guys? Why is someone that's running a major football program prone to making "splash" hires?
GTFO with this poo. Canada was at the top of every OC list after last season.
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What does it say about a coach that he has no plan in place after his plan A falls through
Speculation...and shitty speculation, at best. Do you know that Canada was not Plan B?
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he makes a "splash" hire
Canada's name was being brought up for several jobs. O beat other schools to the punch by signing him this time last year. Canada was the only OC as a Broyles Finalist last year.
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then he tries to modify that guy's offense?
This has been discussed a million times but, to address your question, an easy response is there was an issue and the Head Coach felt like that after 4 games he needed to step in. The offense had been bad through 4 games including scoring only 7 points in a loss two weeks earlier; 3/13 on 3rd down. Then the next game the offensive play calling in the 1st qtr was pretty much Danny throwing incomplete passes as we held the ball a grand total of 4 mins and some change.
The first 3 games of the season saw LSU commit 30 total penalties for 272 yds. 17 of those were offensive (most holds and illegal formations) and drive killers! There were a few times that we had penalties on back-to-back plays.
A common misconception around here is that O took the play calling away in 1st half v. Troy. FAKE NEWS! Canada called the plays minus the shifts and with little motion. The play calling was no different. No shows shifts and little motion...there was no "modified" offense from O besides that. BTW, LSU was 0/9 on 3rd down that day. 0/5 in the 2nd half with the "modifications" off and sprinkled in a 4:29 TOP in the 4th.....GAME OVER!
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Why is someone that's running a major football program prone to making "splash" hires?
The better questions is: Why do we have fans like you? I hope your mom cuts off your internet privileges.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:06 pm to BilJ
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does not align with your strategic plan
If the strategic plan is to win games and you can hire the only Broyles Award finalist on offense from the previous season, it aligns.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:07 pm to dukke v
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SO we should FIRE him?????
I challenge you to find one solitary person who believes we should fire Orgeron right now. Why does it always go to that with you? It's possible to have reservations about O without wanting the guy gone immediately.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:09 pm to LSUStar
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Of course not. Eaux has a carefully crafted plan to make LSU great again
Damm right he does. Build the team in the trenches and hire the best assistant coaches to coach them. Doing a hell of a job so far.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:10 pm to BilJ
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Kiffin was brought in to bring in spread concepts to Saban’s preferred pro style. That’s adapting
BigJ do you really think Saban & Kiffin got along ?
Saban loved to rip into him. He was still the best play caller in America. Coaches can have their differences & still work together. Unless of course you’re predetermined to hate ed orgereon
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:11 pm to Lester Earl
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Saban loved to rip into him. He was still the best play caller in America. Coaches can have their differences & still work together. Unless of course you’re predetermined to hate ed orgereon
And there you go.........
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:14 pm to Lester Earl
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BigJ do you really think Saban & Kiffin got along ?
Almost certainly not. But it was a beneficial relationship for both parties. Saban learned some innovative concepts to implement into his already-established offensive philosophy and Kiffin got to work for a major program again and for one of the best head coaches of all time.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:14 pm to lsu2006
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I challenge you to find one solitary person who believes we should fire Orgeron right now. Why does it always go to that with you? It's possible to have reservations about O without wanting the guy gone immediately.
Every damn thread. Despite everyone (that I'm aware of) saying "no, that would cause too much damage to the program".
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:15 pm to Tiger Ree
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Damm right he does. Build the team in the trenches and hire the best assistant coaches to coach them. Doing a hell of a job so far.
It's so easy. And yet only O and Alleva have figured it out!
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:16 pm to Goldrush25
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If I'd known he'd try to modify the guy's offense 4 games in I'd say why the hell are you hiring this guy
Because you are a simpleton and can't distinguish between modify and simplify.
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It would've been great if Orgeron loved this offense, but he clearly does not
You spout bullshite like no one's business.
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It cost us in humiliating fashion
That and the defense. It was a TOTAL team loss. The haters only harp on the one half that the offense was simplified because of penalties and freshmen players.
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It matters that Orgeron clearly has problems with Canada and his offense
It would matter if it were true. But, since it isn't true does it really matter?
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which highlights the error in making a "splash" hire
Your made up shite does not highlight an error in making a splash hire. It is just stupid to think so.
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Install an offensive philosophy with which you agree. Isn't that common sense?
You have to be hoping that Canada is gone next year. If not all of your bullshite will be exposed.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:16 pm to adamb2151
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Donald Trump
Would be a home run OC hire if Canada were to leave
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:20 pm to Dave England
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where exactly is he getting a HC gig? Canada is one of the highest paid OCs , and is paid more than half of all FBS head coaches.
If Canada leaves it will be for a HC job or the NFL. If not he will be at LSU next season.
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