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re: I wholeheartedly disagree with the Trump administration on getting rid of Net Neutrality
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:27 am to Skeezer
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:27 am to Skeezer
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Ask local internet providers in rural areas if they are for or against it.
They are against net neutrality. It raises the cost of service in rural areas tremendously.
Which will be passed on to consumers and make internet less affordable for the poor in rural areas.
Instead of more people having what you think it bad internet, less people will have internet but they will have more internet capability than they need at a higher cost.
Jesus Christ I'm starting to get annoyed, how many times do we have to play this same stupid game?
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 9:29 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:28 am to Sentrius
If I have to give the government power to regulate internet access as a utility in order to gain net neutrality, I vote no.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:33 am to Skeezer
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They are against net neutrality. It raises the cost of service in rural areas tremendously.
Always amazes me how people can just spew outright lies like this.
How, pray tell, does NN raise the cost of service? And please don't give me any "duh regulation" bullshite. Stupid arse conservathink.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 9:34 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:35 am to Sentrius
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Oh and it's beyond fricking crazy you are not putting something so evil as something like Comcast as on the same level as a murderer
Yes, throttling the speed of your jerk off movies is the exact same as murder...
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:38 am to BugAC
It's impressive how self-involved and unaware some of you are.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:39 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's impressive how self-involved and unaware some of you are.
That's what you gathered about my comment in reference to him equating comcast to murderers?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:40 am to Centinel
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ISPs aren't natural monopolies.
Nah, just monopolies.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:40 am to BugAC
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That's what you gathered about my comment in reference to him equating comcast to murderers?
You just happened to be the last reply.
But sure, I'd say your hypothetical was silly in the context of the discussion...
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:41 am to skrayper
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Yes, they are.
Next.
Oh, well that clears it up...
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:42 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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But sure, I'd say your hypothetical was silly in the context of the discussion...
Wait, you think that my assertion, that equating comcast to murderers because Sentrius doesn't want his wifi throttled is a bit dramatic and overboard, is silly?
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:46 am to Centinel
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Who controls the overwhelming majority of cloud infrastructure?
Want to guess how I know you don't know what you're talking about?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:47 am to BugAC
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Wait, you think that my assertion, that equating comcast to murderers because Sentrius doesn't want his wifi throttled is a bit dramatic and overboard, is silly?
No.
Your apparent assertion that bandwidth throttling is the sole factor in his post is silly.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:59 am to BugAC
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That's what you gathered about my comment in reference to him equating comcast to murderers?
Comcast is just a deliberately nefarious company. Their board has to compose of the biggest scumbags in the business.
I’ve got a good example on how heartless the people at Comcast actually are. A few years back, my grandmother died and my Mom told me to help them out by returning the cable box to Comcast. When I get there and explain the situation, they said that my deceased grandmother, who was already in a urn beneath the ground next to her husband, has to personally come down and return the box. They are acting like they’ve never once dealt with this before, so I asked whether should call a local psychic or necromancer to call her back from the dead all to cancel her fricking cable. They said either that (I’m pretty sure this dumb bitch didn’t know what a necromancer was) or a death certificate which takes 6 fricking months in Mississippi.
So my mom had to come down the next day and pretend she was her own deceased mother while she was still intensely greaving. That’s what kind of quality people work at Comcast. If you’re down, then they say “we’re only going to make it worse”. And that’s one of 4 quality encounters I’ve had with this company. I don’t know how you can make a pass time of pissing off grieving families regularly and not call that evil. It’s just so fricking petty as well, which makes it worse.
How I imagine Comcast’s boardroom:
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:59 am to OMLandshark
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Comcast is just a deliberately nefarious company. Their board has to compose of the biggest scumbags in the business.
So why do you want to give them more of your money?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:03 am to DisplacedBuckeye
This whole thread has devolved.
Net Neutrality is VERY important to keeping the internet running the way it has.
Right now, you pay a fee and have ALL the internet at your fingertips. It doesn't matter if a site makes money or not, what the service is, etc.
If you do away with it, then ISPs (of which, for most Americans there's only going to be ONE with decent speeds available at your home) will be able to generate huge costs and dictate content.
As far as politics are concerned, remember all that Red that Republicans were proud of during the electoral map for the 2016 election?
Those are the areas that there will be no real competition. Big cities will have fiber, cable and DSL infrastructures that will allow for competition. A resident of LA or NYC will have many options and the ability to see competition.
Small to medium sized towns, even those near big cities, will only have one provider (and maybe a 3 Mb DSL line due to old telephone technologies) with decent speeds. No regulations will protect them from that monopoly.
You might say "that's not a monopoly", and you'd TECHNICALLY would be true, but if the options are (say if we meant electricity instead of internet service):
1.) An electrical company that charges varying rates depending on peak usage, what you use it for (AC? extra 10%, sorry), if your neighbors are using solar or not
2.) An electrical company that only provides X number of amps per minute, so expect some flickering while trying to DVR that LSU game
3.) An electrical company (cellular) where the electricity randomly drops out, and only powers a few devices in the home
So, yes, ISPs anywhere but big cities can easily become monopolies of a type. If your only options to buy food are a Whole Foods that stocks everything, and a Piggly Wiggly that only stocks vegetables that are green... well, that's that.
The thing is, ISPs already make tons of money. No regulation is causing them to LOSE money. This isn't a "we're going to go out of business because the government is forcing us to give free internet to everyone". This is literally the government saying, "Well, we - the government and therefor the American people - invented this thing you're taking advantage of. So we're going to lay down a few guidelines so you don't run amok."
Net Neutrality is VERY important to keeping the internet running the way it has.
Right now, you pay a fee and have ALL the internet at your fingertips. It doesn't matter if a site makes money or not, what the service is, etc.
If you do away with it, then ISPs (of which, for most Americans there's only going to be ONE with decent speeds available at your home) will be able to generate huge costs and dictate content.
As far as politics are concerned, remember all that Red that Republicans were proud of during the electoral map for the 2016 election?
Those are the areas that there will be no real competition. Big cities will have fiber, cable and DSL infrastructures that will allow for competition. A resident of LA or NYC will have many options and the ability to see competition.
Small to medium sized towns, even those near big cities, will only have one provider (and maybe a 3 Mb DSL line due to old telephone technologies) with decent speeds. No regulations will protect them from that monopoly.
You might say "that's not a monopoly", and you'd TECHNICALLY would be true, but if the options are (say if we meant electricity instead of internet service):
1.) An electrical company that charges varying rates depending on peak usage, what you use it for (AC? extra 10%, sorry), if your neighbors are using solar or not
2.) An electrical company that only provides X number of amps per minute, so expect some flickering while trying to DVR that LSU game
3.) An electrical company (cellular) where the electricity randomly drops out, and only powers a few devices in the home
So, yes, ISPs anywhere but big cities can easily become monopolies of a type. If your only options to buy food are a Whole Foods that stocks everything, and a Piggly Wiggly that only stocks vegetables that are green... well, that's that.
The thing is, ISPs already make tons of money. No regulation is causing them to LOSE money. This isn't a "we're going to go out of business because the government is forcing us to give free internet to everyone". This is literally the government saying, "Well, we - the government and therefor the American people - invented this thing you're taking advantage of. So we're going to lay down a few guidelines so you don't run amok."
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:06 am to Turbeauxdog
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So why do you want to give them more of your money?
I haven’t since 2013.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:06 am to OMLandshark
So what's the problem?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:08 am to Turbeauxdog
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So what's the problem?
That they’re still in existence? If I were President, destroying Comcast and really the Big Six would be my first order of action. I’d go full out Andrew Jackson on their arse.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:06 am to Mudminnow
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I am shocked to see folks who have never questioned Trump in any decision, inquiring what net neutrality means. Even a mere question is step #1. Not just be fully supportive of Trump every time he opens his mouth
I've been talking about the NN misnomer for years, dude.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:11 pm to OMLandshark
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That they’re still in existence? If I were President, destroying Comcast and really the Big Six would be my first order of action. I’d go full out Andrew Jackson on their arse
So you want other people to give Comcast more money?
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