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Corporate income tax is borne primarily by labor and workers, research shows.

Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69366 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:58 pm
Important to remember when debating tax reform.

Corporations do not pay taxes. They collect them.

11 recent studies find labor, through reduced wages, pay 45-75% of corporate tax burden

You cannot ignore this when figuring out what your after tax income will be if new tax bill gets through.

A 15% reduction in corporate income tax, if these studies are to be believed, will mean more money in your pocket.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43390 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:01 pm to
No no no it'll go straight to the greedy corporate fatcats!
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
14860 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

A 15% reduction in corporate income tax, if these studies are to be believed, will mean more money in your pocket.


Maybe...

Then again, the biggest beneficiaries of the 2004 repatriation holiday cut spending and about 20k jobs.

Not saying you can compare a tax holiday to a permanent decrease in rate reduction, but I wouldn't take anything for granted.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9124 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:17 pm to
Never understood how people can grasp that tariffs add costs, then go on to believe income and corp taxes don't.

Our country is filled to the teeth w economic illiterates.

Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:30 pm to
Individuals ultimately pay all taxes. It's just a matter of which dollars you choose to tax as they flow through the economy, which in turn shifts the burden to different individuals. We can theoretically eliminate all corporate taxes, but to collect the same tax revenue and avoid more debt, we would have to increase tax collections elsewhere.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:43 pm to
I think you are overstating what that article argues to the point of contradicting yourself.
quote:

Corporations do not pay taxes. They collect them.

How could the above be correct if:
quote:

labor, through reduced wages, pay 45-75%

instead of 100%?

From the article, where it refers to the current state of the body of literature:
quote:

Correcting for the overstatement, and assuming such returns determine incidence, implies a business tax incidence that is roughly split 50-50 between capital and labor, more in line with the empirical literature.

It sounds like this guy is saying that corporations in fact pay a significant chunk, rather than it all being passed down, as the first quote above (by you) implies.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39575 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:00 pm to
Taking money from the government will cause essential services to be lost, elderly people will starve, and the sick will die in unpoliced, apocalyptic streets.

But taking money from the private sector will stimulate an economic revolution, cure aids, and bring peace to the Middle East.

-Liberals
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63224 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:07 pm to
My company will absolutely pass a large portion of tax savings on to employees in the form of higher bonuses and pay raises. It's why I am not too concerned about the impact on my personal tax liability from the personal income tax changes.

I happen to think my employer is well above average when it comes to employee compensation and the treatment of its employees in general, but I know for a fact it isn't the only employer who acts like that. Many individuals will benefit from their employer's tax savings. It pisses me off that folks are trying to kill this simply due to partisan leanings.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124188 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

Corporate income tax is borne primarily by labor and workers, research shows.
Important to remember when debating tax reform.
US corporate tax is a ~39% internal tariff.

Think about that.

A 39% tariff!
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:30 pm to
This conclusion required absolutely zero research. It only required a brain
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14231 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:33 am to
The linked article linked in the OP is a disingenuous straw man argument.

The question is NOT whether labor or capital pays corporate taxes that are already levied and in place. The author spends his whole article explaining how complicated it is to allocate the payment of taxes between labor and capital. He's doing that to distract you from the fact that he is answering the wrong question.

The QUESTION IS - if a portion of the taxes already levied and in place are removed, what then would the corporation do with the monies that were previously allocated to paying those taxes.

Remember when the TARP funds where distributed to corporations? The purpose of the "bail outs" were to provide the companies operating capital to carry them through the effects of the great recession.

Remember what the wall streeters did with the TARP money?
They gave themselves their regular year end bonuses!!!

What makes anyone think that corporations are going to give anything close to a majority of the funds they had allocated for taxes to labor?

There already is talk about "investing" the tax-cut money into stock buybacks and dividend payments.

Some portion may go to labor as pay raises, but anyone thinking that pay raises to labor will represent a significant portion of the whole is buying the bill of goods being sold by the charlatan who wrote the article - and those who paid him to write it, hoping you would buy it.

Posted by MarkAR
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2017
2 posts
Posted on 11/9/17 at 8:41 pm to
WUT?!? I have to raise the bullshite flag on this! I own two corporations and none of my employees pay any part of my corprate taxes! I sign the Tax Returns and Checks each year so this article is total crap. I Have been in business for 25 years and we preform work for all of the coastal regions of the United States.
And, we are in need of tax relief. If we get a tax break we can invest in new equipment, add to our manufacturing space, add new employees, and give long over due raises to our employees.
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 11/11/17 at 6:47 pm to
That isnt what it means at all. Corporations do not pass their savings onto rank and file workers. The right's favorite myth since the 80s.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99168 posts
Posted on 11/11/17 at 7:04 pm to
Honest people know this.

One of the main reasons putting off the cut until 2019 is fricking retarded.
Posted by tiger4life69
Member since Jan 2005
374 posts
Posted on 11/11/17 at 9:50 pm to
It’s nice they keep all of their deductions but the middle class gets cut.

But I guess tour disablility is stable so no worries on your end
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 1:36 am to
It takes a suspension of all rational thought to not realize ALL taxes on business are passed directly to the consumer.

This is really not even a point that a rational person would argue.
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