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HOW THE RIGHT LOST ITS MIND
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:43 am
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:43 am
If there's already a thread on this. Whatever. When, I read this article I thought about the decent conservative posters here who, while I disagreed with them, weren't the sad, sycophantic hacks we see here today.
I get the motivation to burn the GOPe down and I get that Trump was a protest vote for many, damn the consequences, but why a buffoon? Why not Rand? Why not someone who actually has something to say? Sykes thinks its the result of the alternative reality bubble that appeals to emotion and outrage as opposed to intellect and now its beyond control.
Of course this will largely fall on deaf ears because this forum is full of the people Sykes takes issue with. His take on the rise and change of the Tea Party was right on btw.
RIP intellectual conservatism. Melt cuck, etc etc
Newsweek
I get the motivation to burn the GOPe down and I get that Trump was a protest vote for many, damn the consequences, but why a buffoon? Why not Rand? Why not someone who actually has something to say? Sykes thinks its the result of the alternative reality bubble that appeals to emotion and outrage as opposed to intellect and now its beyond control.
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During the 2016 election, conservatives turned on the principles that had once animated them. Somehow a movement based on real ideas—such as economic freedom and limited government—had devolved into a tribe that valued neither principle nor truth; luminaries such as Edmund Burke and William F. Buckley Jr. had been replaced by media clowns such as Ann Coulter and Milo Yiannopoulos. Icons such as Ronald Reagan—with his optimism and geniality—had been supplanted by the dark, erratic narcissism of Donald Trump. Gradualism, expertise and prudence—the values that once were taken for granted among conservatives—were replaced by polls and ratings spikes, as the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era to blind them to the crackpots and bigots in their midst.
Some have argued that the election was a binary choice, that Hillary Clinton had to be defeated by any means. I share many of their concerns about Clinton, but the price was ruinous. The right’s electoral victory has not wiped away its sins. It has magnified them, and the problems that were exposed during the 2016 campaign haven’t disappeared. Success does not necessarily imply virtue or sanity. Kings can be both mad and bad, and the courtiers are usually loath to point out the obvious—just look at Caligula or Kim Jong Un.
Today, with Trump in office, the problems of the right are the problems of all Americans. And the worst part of it is that we—conservatives—did this to ourselves.
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But the real turning point came with the election of Barack Obama and the rise of the Tea Party. While many of its discontents can be traced to the Bush years—Medicare Part D, changes to immigration policy and the big-bank bailouts—the Tea Party did not gain traction until after Obama’s victory. The timing fueled suspicion that the movement had more to do with the new president’s race—and party affiliation—than his policies, yet the early days of the Tea Party defied easy categorization. Despite the caricatures and repeated attempts by the left to portray them as dangerous or bigoted, Tea Party rallies were generally orderly events—and extraordinarily diverse. As the writer John Avlon put it in his book Wingnuts: Extremism in the Age of Obama, attendees at a typical rally included “libertarians, traditionalists, free-marketers, middle-class tax protesters, the more-patriotic-than-thou crowd, conservative shock jocks, frat boys, suit-and-tie Buckley-ites and more than a couple of requisite residents of Crazytown.
The Tea Party soon became the face of the conservative movement, firing up a base that had been defeated and demoralized. As Avlon noted, the movement marked an aggressive shift in tactics, as some conservatives decided to “mimic the confrontational street theater of the far left they had spent decades despising. Civility was the first calculated casualty.” At rallies, signs comparing Obama to Hitler began popping up (as they had on the left with George W. Bush), while literature appeared skewering “Obama’s Nazi health plan.” Legitimate concerns over rationing health care morphed into overheated rhetoric about “death panels.” All of this was dramatically accelerated by the rise of a perpetual outrage machine that included scam PACs and even the venerable Heritage Foundation, pushing the GOP into increasingly extreme and untenable positions, which ultimately led to a futile government shutdown.
Of course this will largely fall on deaf ears because this forum is full of the people Sykes takes issue with. His take on the rise and change of the Tea Party was right on btw.
RIP intellectual conservatism. Melt cuck, etc etc
Newsweek
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:44 am to AUbused
Newsweek!
You begging or out of your damn mind!
You begging or out of your damn mind!
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:45 am to AUbused
quote:
During the 2016 election, conservatives turned on the principles that had once animated them.
What a bunch of shite.
You seem to be under the delusion that Trump supporters are conservative.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
Semantics aside in that sentence, I believe thats his point.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:47 am to el Gaucho
It must be nice... that alternative universe you Liberals reside in...
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:48 am to AUbused
(no message)
This post was edited on 4/12/23 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:49 am to AUbused
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During the 2016 election, conservatives turned on the principles that Americans care about and swept the WH, and both houses of congress.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:50 am to msutiger
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The Alabama senate election showed us that. That means, Republicans will have the ability to continue what was accomplished during the tea party movement with senators like Sasse and Cruz.
You sure about that? How can you be? How do you know the party isnt changing out from under you just as described in the article?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:50 am to AUbused
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RIP intellectual conservatism
Please name some intellectual liberal organizations. Calling Trump a bafoon is intellectual? You're projecting, again.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 7:51 am
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:51 am to AUbused
The right starts winning national elections, and the response from sources like Newsweek is "You're in so much trouble! Better change what you're doing!"
Let's try that against Bama this year and see if it works.
Let's try that against Bama this year and see if it works.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:52 am to AUbused
Someone in this thread has lost their mind alright
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:53 am to AUbused
quote:
You sure about that? How can you be? How do you know the party isnt changing out from under you just as described in the article?
For starters, the party needed to change. It has never been controlled by real conservatives.
The tea party movement was the first time real conservative candidates saw success across the board.
The rejection of Luther Strange showed that, A) Trump is not the leader of this movement and B) Republicans are tired of the establishment
It will be interesting to see how the 2018 mid-terms go, but I think strong conservative candidate will continue to have success and build on what started in 2010.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:53 am to AUbused
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As Avlon noted, the movement marked an aggressive shift in tactics, as some conservatives decided to “mimic the confrontational street theater of the far left they had spent decades despising. Civility was the first calculated casualty.”
The death of the one-sided civility was decades overdue.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 7:56 am
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:53 am to AUbused
no it wasn't
Civility?
The author really only understands the world by its fringe elements, which are not the most predominant.
quote:
Civility was the first calculated casualty.” At rallies, signs comparing Obama to Hitler began popping up (as they had on the left with George W. Bush), while literature appeared skewering “Obama’s Nazi health plan.” Legitimate concerns over rationing health care morphed into overheated rhetoric about “death panels.” All of this was dramatically accelerated by the rise of a perpetual outrage machine that included scam PACs and even the venerable Heritage Foundation, pushing the GOP into increasingly extreme and untenable positions, which ultimately led to a futile government shutdown.
Civility?
The author really only understands the world by its fringe elements, which are not the most predominant.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:54 am to AUbused
The media frowns on anything in politics that doesn't hold the status quo.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:55 am to AUbused
SCREAMING in your title won't state your case any clearer. One thing sticks out to me that you probably won't ever get.
Trump was the only teflon that could survive and he had zero fricks to give and was dependent on no ones money. If it weren't for Trump we would have Hillary Clinton with Jebra! in just in case she could not fullfill her queen obligations. Rand Paul would never have survived, he was at the kiddie table for God sakes.
Name anyone that could have won, ***and they took the rustbelt and moderate areas***, other than Trump, then we will talk further. Until then, this thread is going nowhere.
quote:Because there is no way he could have won. No one could have survived the MSM and democrat attacks. Is Herman Cain a sexual abuser? Probably not, but he was painted as one. Is Dan Quayle intelligent? Yes, but the media fixed him didn't they?
but why a buffoon? Why not Rand?
Trump was the only teflon that could survive and he had zero fricks to give and was dependent on no ones money. If it weren't for Trump we would have Hillary Clinton with Jebra! in just in case she could not fullfill her queen obligations. Rand Paul would never have survived, he was at the kiddie table for God sakes.
Name anyone that could have won, ***and they took the rustbelt and moderate areas***, other than Trump, then we will talk further. Until then, this thread is going nowhere.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 8:07 am
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:55 am to Bunyan
Yeah, that one was especially stupid. Liberals have zero proposals for any of the issues Americans elected republicans to fix and they've pissed away obamas political capital on shite like the Aca, bailouts, and Trans issues while the economy floundered and millions poured over the border.
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