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re: HOW THE RIGHT LOST ITS MIND
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:26 am to AUbused
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:26 am to AUbused
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but speaks to a deeper level of whats going on in the GOP.
I think it's a colossal mistake to consider Trump and his support the GOP. Other than having to run under that party name, that's not really who they are.
I don't think the GOP is becoming who your article says they are. I think the GOP is shrinking and being cannibalized by an offshoot of what the GOP once was. And that group has a shite ton of momentum right now. Another poster called it "white identity politics", but its really just an acknowledgment and steps to oppose what globalization has done (or perceived to have done) to the middle class of developed countries. True economic globalization is the GOPe's baby. Always has been. And Trump, and Brexit, and nationalism are a serious threat to that.
Trump and his base are the only ones harping on that. And whether you believe or not it's valid, it's the message that seems to resonate with the most voters right now. Nothing the GOPe or Democrats have attempted to campaign on even addresses it. The left focus on identity politics and the opposition to free speech, while the GOPe looks like they are governing for their lobbyist and not their constituents.
Trump may be the bombastic character that was needed to actually gain a foothold, but there will be candidates able to both articulate the current issues w/ globalization and brush off the attacks of media and parties. Smarter people will follow Trump's template in the future, IMO. And as long as the message is similar, will have success.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 9:31 am
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:31 am to AUbused
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some conservatives decided to “mimic the confrontational street theater of the far left they had spent decades despising.
They were getting beat and when you're getting beat you tend to adopt the winning tactics of the ones beating you.
So, you can thank the leftists for introducing those rules of the game.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 9:45 am
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:36 am to AUbused
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Trump, however, exploited such divisions for his own gain. He tapped into something disturbing that we had ignored and perhaps nurtured—a shift from freedom to authoritarianism, from American “exceptionalism” to nativism and xenophobia. From his hard line on immigration and rebuttal of free trade to his strange fascination with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Trump represented a dramatic repudiation of the values that had once defined the movement.
If Reagan were alive, he would hardly recognize his party—or the walls it had erected.
This guy is a conservative? Sounds like the rhetoric from the left.
Then he wants to talk about Reagan after the GOPe gave us Papa Bush, W, McCain, Romney and yet another Bush. He doesn't know what in the frick being conservative is.
And now you being a lefty wants to try to tell people what being a conservative is supposed to be? Seems rather smug.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:37 am to AUbused
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Stupid fricking Trumpkins in this thread think that is a valid argument and justification of conservatives doing it, which is pathetic.....but what I've come to expect.
It's so pathetic the Indians took up firearms when fighting the settlers, but I've come to expect stupidity like that from them.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:38 am to MSMHater
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Trump and his base are the only ones harping on that. And whether you believe or not it's valid, it's the message that seems to resonate with the most voters right now
Preaching to the choir on that one. Ive made the same argument to liberals saying that Trump was the product of racism or whatnot. The rust belt win is all you REALLY need to know.
That being said, I don't think that necessarily invalidates a lot of what is in the OP article. Case in point, look at the way this forum has become Infowars light. Im seeing conspiracy theory all over my facebook feed. A lot of this is, in my opinion, a product of the GOPe using the perpetual outrage machine to manipulate useful idiots. Now it has grown beyond their control and they sewed the field for a guy like Trump to reap.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:47 am to MrLarson
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And now you being a lefty wants to try to tell people what being a conservative is supposed to be?
Do you disagree with me that Ted Cruz and Rand Paul better represent conservative ideals than Donald Trump? If so, then the party has indeed changed per the OP article. If not, then what exactly are you criticizing me for again?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:48 am to Vacherie Saint
Liberals have zero proposals for any of the issues Americans elected republicans to fix and they've pissed away obamas political capital on shite like the Aca, bailouts, and Trans issues while the economy floundered and tens of millions poured over the border - with our government advertising in South America for more to come.
FIFY
FIFY
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:51 am to AUbused
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A lot of this is, in my opinion, a product of the GOPe using the perpetual outrage machine to manipulate useful idiots. Now it has grown beyond their control and they sewed the field for a guy like Trump to reap.
Again you display a shocking lack of self-awareness. The socialist democrat perpetual outrage machine has been churning out useful idiots since Ronald Reagan won in 1980. Remember war monger Reagan who was going to destroy the world via nuclear holocaust? The president who wanted to starve children and old people, and kill the rest with environmental catastrophe?
You liberals have consumed yourselves with identity politics and demonizing everyone who disagrees with the Marxist solution to every problem.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:51 am to cokebottleag
Exactly,
You either do what gives you the best shot,
or perish from the earth.
You either do what gives you the best shot,
or perish from the earth.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:55 am to troyt37
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Again you display a shocking lack of self-awareness. The socialist democrat perpetual outrage machine has been churning out useful idiots
This would be a great point if I didnt openly acknowledge this as a given just a few posts ago dipshit.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:58 am to AUbused
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RIP intellectual conservatism.
I'm not sure if you would recognize intellectual discourse if it bit you on the arse. But I'll explain the logic in voting for Trump. It's so simple that even you might understand.
1. I supported Cruz in the primaries. He did not win the nomination because Zach does not get to choose the nominee.
2. In the general election I had formulated a fool proof system. The premise: I would prefer our President be a steaming pile of dog shite rather than Hillary.
3. Once Trump won the nomination the evaluation was easy: "Is Donald Trump a better choice for President than a steaming pile of dog shite?" My answer was 'yes, clearly.'
4. Therefore, logic dictated that I voted for Trump in the general and was happy to see him victorious.
What do you not understand?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:59 am to Zach
Why didnt Cruz win the primary?
The only thing you're proving you dont understand here is the point of the OP.......while calling ME an idiot.
The only thing you're proving you dont understand here is the point of the OP.......while calling ME an idiot.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 10:01 am
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:01 am to AUbused
Charlie Sykes doesn't think making the intentional transmission of HIV a misdemeanor or allowing people with HIV to donate blood is the left losing its mind
Dude is just turnt because his audience dropped him and the only work he can get is using his conservative credentials to shite talk trump to moderates and people who already hate trump
Dude is just turnt because his audience dropped him and the only work he can get is using his conservative credentials to shite talk trump to moderates and people who already hate trump
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:02 am to AUbused
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Do you disagree with me that Ted Cruz and Rand Paul better represent conservative ideals than Donald Trump?
No I don't disagree with you on that.
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If so, then the party has indeed changed per the OP article.
Not correct.
The writer of that article would be shitting his pants had Cruz or Paul won the WH. Because the entire article wreaks of establishment thought.
The party didn't change in 2016.
Conservatism didn't give us NAFTA and the Patriot Act.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:03 am to Navytiger74
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Good insights in this article. It somewhat harkens back to Jeff Flake’s characterization of many in conservatism suffering from a “diseased mind.”
How long have we been telling the left that liberalism is a mental disorder?
Anyone else get the feeling they are currently using our own feed against us?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:07 am to MrLarson
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No I don't disagree with you on that.
You dont disagree, yet neither of those two won and still the party hasn't changed?
Look, I try not to deal in absolutes so my inclination is to think that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I believe that means that your point holds truth as well as the OP article. Perhaps this board becoming a full on Alex Jones tinfoil tardfest is skewing my perception. Maybe its an accurate reflection of whats happening in the big picture to some extent.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:07 am to AUbused
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This would be a great point if I didnt openly acknowledge this as a given just a few posts ago dipshit.
Was that the "obviously liberalism too" line?
You post an article from an obvious GOPe writer, lamenting what you acknowledge the socialist democrats have been doing for literally at least 37 fricking years, and call out the republican party for it's intellectual dishonesty, and the destruction of political discourse? How about looking in the mirror, dipshit. How about calling out the people who have been doing this shite for a generation or more?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:12 am to AUbused
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Why didnt Cruz win the primary?
I already explained it. I don't get to make that choice. Maybe you do. If the indictment is 'Republicans in general must be stupid because they nominated Trump' then does that mean Republicans were brilliant when they nominated Bob Dole? Were they brilliant when they nominated John McCain? Were Democrats brilliant when they nominated Hillary? Hmmmm?
The system is very simple. You are left with 2 choices on general election day. On an intellectual scale of 1 - 100, Trump was a 75; Hillary was a 3.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:15 am to troyt37
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Was that the "obviously liberalism too" line?
So now you're complaining about the fact that liberalisms perpetual outrage machine is so blatant that its only worth a passing reference in the context of a conversation with a party which was not even you?
Don't be a little bitch. Just admit that you pounced from the wrong angle and got dropkicked in the neck.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:17 am to AUbused
The Left: "We lost a dozen governorships, 1,100 legislative seats, and the Presidency in the past 20 months because of X, Y, and Z reasons."
And what do you retards do? You double-down on X, Y, and Z.
This OP and thread is a perfect example of this.
Keep trying to score virtue points.
Keep trying to shame and demean the Right, Trump, and Trump supporters.
Keep playing identity politics and shoving political correctness down our throats.
Keep insisting every white Righty is a racist and bigot.
Keep insisting this country is horrible and only you morally superior intellectuals can save it with social politicking and anti-constitutional/anti-republic ideals.
Your solutions aren't solutions at all. They are all designed to impose your self-entitled superiority complex on others, wash away your guilt, shame, and self-loathing, and at the expense of those who don't suffer from your over-empathy affliction nor agree with your methods and agenda.
You are the dredge of our society, and thank God you are so fricked up that sane people have finally gotten sick of your madness and are taking back this country.
Just keep doing what you're doing, Lefties. Just keep being you and making it easier for us to save our country.
Thanks for the OP and your insane Lefty blather in this thread. Keep em comin.
And what do you retards do? You double-down on X, Y, and Z.
This OP and thread is a perfect example of this.
Keep trying to score virtue points.
Keep trying to shame and demean the Right, Trump, and Trump supporters.
Keep playing identity politics and shoving political correctness down our throats.
Keep insisting every white Righty is a racist and bigot.
Keep insisting this country is horrible and only you morally superior intellectuals can save it with social politicking and anti-constitutional/anti-republic ideals.
Your solutions aren't solutions at all. They are all designed to impose your self-entitled superiority complex on others, wash away your guilt, shame, and self-loathing, and at the expense of those who don't suffer from your over-empathy affliction nor agree with your methods and agenda.
You are the dredge of our society, and thank God you are so fricked up that sane people have finally gotten sick of your madness and are taking back this country.
Just keep doing what you're doing, Lefties. Just keep being you and making it easier for us to save our country.
Thanks for the OP and your insane Lefty blather in this thread. Keep em comin.
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