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re: Let's get more realistic - Full US War Machine vs. World
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:38 pm to Blue Velvet
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:38 pm to Blue Velvet
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If China and Russia teamed up today for a full blown war the US would be gone in a heartbeat.
Bull-fricking-shite. In an all out, no holds barred war, we would destroy both navies and both air forces in a few weeks at most. Neither has enough planes or carriers to be a threat.
And their armies would never touch American soil with no navy or air force to protect them.
Also keep in mind that our military absolutely has technology that is decades ahead of what's been made public. Who knows what they have squirreled away for a rain day.
This is still in the no nukes scenario.
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:43 pm to Blue Velvet
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If China and Russia teamed up today for a full blown war the US would be gone in a heartbeat.
You would love that, wouldn't you?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:48 pm to DarthRebel
IF we lost, the toll on the other side would be horrific.
I believe we would prevail if Europe and Russia were held in check for the first 90 days or so.
Simply too much technology and sophisticated firepower to not be favored.
I believe we would prevail if Europe and Russia were held in check for the first 90 days or so.
Simply too much technology and sophisticated firepower to not be favored.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:59 pm to VaBamaMan
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Also keep in mind that our military absolutely has technology that is decades ahead of what's been made public.
Google: Rod of God
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:59 pm to DarthRebel
I'm going with the Slow Play on this, with the U.S.A. As the aggressor.
As a preamble, you slowly pull out of S Korea and Europe, ME, Japan since they'd get immediately over run once open hostilities started. Then you start messing with power grids and municipal water delivery, just putting dormant worms in the systems..Maybe even plant mines at the base of dams throughout the world but don't light them off until you need it.
First, you get Pakistan and India into more than a border skirmish, I want them really fighting. Maybe touch off a tactical nuke somewhere in India with isotope signatures of Paki weaponry. This causes China to keep an eye on the area, more so than they already do.
Secondly touch off NK vs SK. This will hammer SK's shipyards as well as drawing in more of China's forces as well as Japan's defensive navy.
Then you have to find a way to make an Isreali-Muslim conflict last longer than 3 weeks.
Now we have these hotspots really cooking, we have to find a way to halt the projection of power from Russia, China, and the western counties. Maybe blow up freighters/ oilers in Suez and Panama canals, frame it on someone else so the US looks to be aggrieved rather than the aggressor. Blow up the tunnel connecting UK and France. Mine the Med as well as Black Sea. Drop enough mines in the S. China Sea that you could walk to Indonesia from China.
There just isn't a good way for the world to PROJECT power to the US mainland if we are the aggressor, although I think we lose Alaska at some point.
Wouldn't be a bad idea to wade into Mexico to get their natural resources.
It's a given that you hit the carriers of China, UK, France, and Russia. There simply isn't a good way for the world to project their men and material to the mainland for a coordinated attack.
As a preamble, you slowly pull out of S Korea and Europe, ME, Japan since they'd get immediately over run once open hostilities started. Then you start messing with power grids and municipal water delivery, just putting dormant worms in the systems..Maybe even plant mines at the base of dams throughout the world but don't light them off until you need it.
First, you get Pakistan and India into more than a border skirmish, I want them really fighting. Maybe touch off a tactical nuke somewhere in India with isotope signatures of Paki weaponry. This causes China to keep an eye on the area, more so than they already do.
Secondly touch off NK vs SK. This will hammer SK's shipyards as well as drawing in more of China's forces as well as Japan's defensive navy.
Then you have to find a way to make an Isreali-Muslim conflict last longer than 3 weeks.
Now we have these hotspots really cooking, we have to find a way to halt the projection of power from Russia, China, and the western counties. Maybe blow up freighters/ oilers in Suez and Panama canals, frame it on someone else so the US looks to be aggrieved rather than the aggressor. Blow up the tunnel connecting UK and France. Mine the Med as well as Black Sea. Drop enough mines in the S. China Sea that you could walk to Indonesia from China.
There just isn't a good way for the world to PROJECT power to the US mainland if we are the aggressor, although I think we lose Alaska at some point.
Wouldn't be a bad idea to wade into Mexico to get their natural resources.
It's a given that you hit the carriers of China, UK, France, and Russia. There simply isn't a good way for the world to project their men and material to the mainland for a coordinated attack.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:04 pm to DarthRebel
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No nukes or chemicals.
THen it's not full on war.
But , if the US decided "frick it, we're gonna take over the world" no one could stop us if the entire country got behind it.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:05 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Disagree here.
Simply isn't enough bodies in the US.
Simply isn't enough bodies in the US.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:24 pm to Jobu93
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Disagree here.
Simply isn't enough bodies in the US.
Yes. The US population just isn't large enough. For the US to "win" this game, we'd have to be able to conquer territories and incorporate them into our Empire. If we're limited to existing US territory and population then eventually "World" would prevail.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:28 pm to DarthRebel
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Can the 300 million of the US survive 7 billion of the world.
Yes, the USA would win with very little resistance and striking the major cities around the world. We also would control the land and the sea.
The 7 billion people, with most of them living in impoverished 3rd world countries or conditions) wouldn't be much of an obstacle.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:32 pm to alphaandomega
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Google: Rod of God
It moved
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:36 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:you joking? In desert storm b52 pilots would fly around the world for 48 hour bombing missions and go back home and sleep in their beds. to do it again a few days later.
No way we would have the firepower to scour the entire globe while protecting our shores and fighting multiple fronts (Canada/Mexico) and engaged in multiple large scale battles. You are assuming the rest of the world isn't being proactive while this is happening.
and that was 1992.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:40 pm to Jobu93
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Disagree here.
Simply isn't enough bodies in the US.
First, even in this made up scenario, we wouldn't be on our own. England, Israel, Japan, and probably Australia would certainly choose to fight with us, not against us, no matter what the situation. That leaves essentially France and Germany in Europe, and Russia and China in the East that we would have to worry about. Now Russians HATE the Chinese and visa versa so unless we invaded both countries, it's a toss up on whether they would team up against us, or use the opportunity to attack each other.
India and Pakistan would almost certainly nuke each other in this scenario, meaning we wouldn't have to worry about fighting those two countries.
Who's left to worry about? The Iranians? One of our aircraft carrier groups could take out their entire navy and air force in a matter of days.
Spain? Please
Anyone in South America? Mexico? Canada?
It would be a blowout of epic proportions if the US decided to kick the shite out of the rest of the world.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:42 pm to Blue Velvet
That's a lie. The US military has fought every single war since WW2 with their hands tied behind their backs. Let them go total warfare and the US would obliterate China and Russia before Mardi Gras.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:43 pm to lynxcat
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if Canada and Mexico assisted
One is led by a limp wristed loser and the other is essentially our enemy.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:58 pm to lynxcat
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No way...the Canadian border is too large to defend. The world could funnel billions through that area and stretch the US thin
If it was the US versus the world, the US would take out Canada and Mexico first. Then, you'd only have to protect water bound borders.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:15 pm to DarthRebel
quote:^ Losing record against Asian farmers.
We have more Carriers than the world combined.
We have more naval ships than Russia and China combined
We have more military aircraft than the rest of the top 10 countries combined.
We have more missiles and the best missile defense in the world (if it works)
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:28 pm to DarthRebel
If by full capacity you mean that we can manufacture everything on our own like we did in WW2, then the US would be fine. Militarily, the US has it done due solely to the aircraft carriers and our navy. The world has 19 ACs in service. Of the 19, the US has 11 of them. We also have mini carriers and a drydock reserve which are not counted. We have all of the nuclear powered ACs, everyone else relies on oil.
Now, the complicated measure is our homeland. Since WW2, our manufacturing jobs went overseas. We buy instead of making our own. This is where we would get hurt. Our populace needs oil imports and crap from China. We have lost our ability to survive without modern conveniences. If the power went out or we lost our ability to import oil, people would quite literally be starving and dying.
Now, the complicated measure is our homeland. Since WW2, our manufacturing jobs went overseas. We buy instead of making our own. This is where we would get hurt. Our populace needs oil imports and crap from China. We have lost our ability to survive without modern conveniences. If the power went out or we lost our ability to import oil, people would quite literally be starving and dying.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:04 pm to Landmass
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If the power went out or we lost our ability to import oil, people would quite literally be starving and dying.
Only democrats and city slickers. Wheeee- Doggy!!!!!
Posted on 10/5/17 at 3:23 pm to DarthRebel
india and china together would have a big arse army
Posted on 10/5/17 at 3:40 pm to Blue Velvet
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If China and Russia teamed up today for a full blown war the US would be gone in a heartbeat.
Ok kid.
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